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Response to DanTex (Reply #75)

Mon Dec 19, 2011, 02:30 PM

76. your argument completely falls apart

in the seventh paragraph. You seem to think that the hyperbole of some propagandist is taken seriously by most (outside of DU, do you actually know any pro gunners?) of us? Outside of a tiny naive fringe, that is not true. That is certainly not true of us at DU and you know that. It has been pointed out to you that most of us are well traveled and have actually been to these countries. It seems that you have to cling on to a cardboard stereotype to support your ideas. In short, your last three paragraphs are as insulting as they are stupid. That is the problem of depending on mostly partisan sources for news and information. You get propaganda. True when the facts serves their purpose, but lies when the truth conflicts with ideology. That is as true with Media Matters as it is with Faux.
As far as gun laws and crime goes:
UK's crime did not drop after they passed their gun laws. Therefore, I fail to see where their crime rate has anything to do with gun laws. I would not call their laws rational or reasonable.
Same with Canada. Did their handgun crime drop when they started licensing and registration in 1934? Machine gun crime in 1952 (registration, but no licensing, which made their machine gun controls laxer than ours) Or 1977 when required banned further ownership and required licensing for the existing ones?
Here is where you switch to "there are multiple reasons besides gun laws" Well no shit. That is part of what we have been pointing out. It is all about history and culture and gun laws or gun ownership has nothing to do with it.
If, as many anti gunners claim, that gun laws are the primary reason, then why do they cherry pick only wealthy countries in Europe? Then why would not that also apply to non wealthy countries? Why would UK's gun laws keep Brits safe (even though they were safe before the laws) then why doesn't that also apply to Jamaica with similar laws? What level of wealth and its distribution does a country need before it counts?
Even within the United States, DC blames Virginia's laws. Who does USVI and Puerto Rico blame? They both have "rational gun laws". Straw purchasers in Florida who drive their amphibious cars? USVI's murder rate is not only worst in the US, it is among the worst in the world. It's gun laws are someplace between Canada and UK. Not the case with British VI. Next compare El Paso with lax gun laws and neighbor Cuidad Juarez with very strict gun laws. The disparity is also huge.

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