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Showing Original Post only (View all)Which of these proposals could have prevented Sandy Hook? [View all]
Last edited Fri Mar 20, 2015, 10:53 AM - Edit history (2)
Requires background checks for all gun sales and strengthens the background check system. This would include removing barriers under the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act so that states may more freely share information about mental health issues involving potential gun purchasers.
Lanza did not purchase his guns. he killed the owner, his mother, and stole the weapons.
Other notable, recent shootings such as Loughner, Holmes, Cho, Hasan, Rogers, Alexis did not purchase their weapons absent a BC.
Provides states with monetary incentives$20 million in fiscal year FY 2013 and a proposed $50 million in FY 2014to share information so that records on criminal history and people prohibited from gun ownership due to mental health reasons are more available.
A laudable action but -- again -- Lanza did not purchase his weapons and in cases where the police should have intervened they chose to not do so.
Bans military-style assault weapons and limits magazines to a capacity of 10 rounds.
In the 4.5 minutes it took the police to arrive a 10-round capacity would not have made a difference. In fact, Lanza was changing magazines before exhausting them.
The AWB is likely what sank the proposal in the first place. It's been tried.
Provides additional tools to law enforcement. The plan proposes a crackdown on gun trafficking by asking Congress to pass legislation that closes loopholes in gun trafficking laws and establishes strict penalties for straw purchasers who pass a background check and then pass guns on to prohibited people.
The term "loophole" is ambiguous, at best. This needs to be defined.
Urges Congress to pass the administrations $4 billion proposal to keep 15,000 state and local police officers on the street to help deter gun crime.
Police do not prevent, they react (except in the case of Columbine) and even then they are not obligated to act.
Maximizes efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime. The president calls upon the attorney general to work with U.S. attorneys across the country to determine gaps occurring in this area and where supplemental resources are appropriate.
A tad undefined.
Provides training for active shooter situations to 14,000 law enforcement, first responders and school officials.
4.5 minutes is still 4.5 minutes.
Directs the secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services to issue a statement to health care providers that they are not prohibited by federal law from reporting threats of violence to the proper authorities.
Okay but, Holmes WAS reported by his mental health care provider under provisions of Colorado law but the authorities did nothing. The day Eliot Rogers went on his killing spree his own parents reported him to the police saying they thought he was going to hurt people. Loughner, Lanza, Hasan, Alexis and Cho also had histories with authorities and providers and yet nothing was acted upon.
Launches a national gun safety campaign to encourage responsible gun ownership and authorizes the Consumer Product Safety Commission to examine issues relating to gun safety locks.
Helps schools invest in safety. The presidents plan calls for more school resource officers and counselors in all schools through the Community Oriented Policing Services hiring program. The plan also calls for the federal government to assist schools in developing emergency management plans.
Last I heard "school resource officer" means "cop with a gun." I've been told guns in school is not the answer.
Improves mental health awareness through enhanced teacher training and referrals for treatment. The plan calls for the training of 5,000 additional mental health professionals nationwide. The plan also calls for coverage of mental health treatment under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act and the Mental Health Parity and Addiction Equity Act of 2008.
He should really talk to his former chief-of-staff.
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CORRECTION -- I originally wrote the post stating the police response time was 12 minutes. I was informed the response time from the placement of the call to 911 to police arriving on-scene -- at which time Lanza shot himself -- was approximately 4.5 minutes. The OP has been corrected, I apologize for the error and I appreciate Lurks Often for bringing it to my attention.
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I don't think smaller mag sizes would have prevented Sandy Hook, but they could have lowered
Electric Monk
Mar 2015
#1
"sometimes shooting as few as 15 shots..." Thats five 'free' shots he got compared to reloading
Electric Monk
Mar 2015
#3
"I also think his mom should have kept her guns locked in a safe without Adam knowing the combo."
Nuclear Unicorn
Mar 2015
#4
"giving the teachers a slightly better chance to tackle the shooter or help children escape."
Nuclear Unicorn
Mar 2015
#90
As I stated more emphasis should be placed on safety, NRA spends lots of money
Thinkingabout
Mar 2015
#21
Could you please provide the actual dollar amounts they spend on each? Thanks. nt
hack89
Mar 2015
#22
When it comes to gun safety it doesn't matter, safety should be first and foremost,
Thinkingabout
Mar 2015
#24
For every child who is killed it cuts off a future purchaser, this should be considered.
Thinkingabout
Mar 2015
#27
I don't have any idea, apparently the NRA safety programs are not reaching enough gum owners.
Thinkingabout
Mar 2015
#28
Consider the Shooting Sports Foundation's "Child Safe" campaign to secure firearms...
Eleanors38
Mar 2015
#33
Aside from appearance, what, exactly, is the issue with bayonet lugs?
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2015
#36
I've yet to hear any argument for having them, other than for close quarters combat
Electric Monk
Mar 2015
#38
Like I said, the argument for having them is "well, I want it, because I want it". nt
Electric Monk
Mar 2015
#40
I honestly do not understand why you would want one on your gun, unless for close quarters combat
Electric Monk
Mar 2015
#51
Ok then, so why is it standard on many weapons? (and I think I know this answer) nt
Electric Monk
Mar 2015
#53
This sub-thread started with you asking what is "military style", and bayonet lugs are part of
Electric Monk
Mar 2015
#57
I don't know if "afraid" is precisely the right characterization of his motivation
discntnt_irny_srcsm
Mar 2015
#63
Well, without detachable magazines, Adam Lanza would have killed far fewer people
Electric Monk
Mar 2015
#42
Pure speculation on your part that he'd have killed just as many as easily with only his other guns.
Electric Monk
Mar 2015
#59
Ok, so if your argument is it makes no difference, then you'd have no problem with mag size limits
Electric Monk
Mar 2015
#69
It's about mag size and reloading. Loughner was tackled while reloading during the Giffords shooting
Electric Monk
Mar 2015
#99
I'll ignore the insults, and further your speeding analogy. When you speed, it becomes everyones
Electric Monk
Mar 2015
#100
At this point, I'm sorry I said anything to billh, asking him to be less rude. That was a mistake.
Electric Monk
Mar 2015
#104
Not lumped in the same category as murderers. More like speeders on the highway. If caught
Electric Monk
Mar 2015
#98
I sympathize with your view, but due process in court is a fundamental right...
Eleanors38
Mar 2015
#37
Only pro gun folks are interested in preventing SH type events, control groups need more
ileus
Mar 2015
#16
I will remind everyone that autism is a neurological disorder, not a mental illness
Lurks Often
Mar 2015
#23
Maybe we could start a federal program of free wi-fi for potentially violent mental health patients.
Nuclear Unicorn
Mar 2015
#78
You're being blatantly dishonest. Post #88 recaps those proposals in the OP I believe would work and
Nuclear Unicorn
Mar 2015
#118