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Gun Control & RKBA

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Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 06:50 PM Feb 2015

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Gun Rights for Terrorists

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/26/opinion/gun-rights-for-terrorists.html

"Protective measures include the tracking of travel patterns to and from certain countries, and tightened airport security, but our laws do nothing to stop domestic terrorist suspects from gaining access to the tools they need to inflict terrible damage. Those on the terror watch list are free to buy and own unlimited firearms in the United States.

And it is well documented that they do. The Government Accountability Office, the investigative arm of Congress, recently reported that between February 2004 and December 2014, individuals on the watch list attempted to purchase firearms or explosives on 2,233 occasions — and more than 90 percent of the time, they cleared a background check and received approval to buy.

In fact, only a very small percentage of the roughly one million people on the international terror watch list are American citizens. Among the objective criteria that cause someone to be listed are active membership in an organization devoted to jihad, a record of transfers of money to a terrorist organization, and the incitement of acts of terrorism.

Gun lobby opposition has also played a part in earlier failures to address the problem. A small, extremist sliver of the gun-owning population (including the leadership of the National Rifle Association) opposes any limitations — even a restriction of terror suspects’ right to arm themselves."

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Yep, law abiding citizens all.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/12628345


Apparently the child in the picture is a jihadist that has traveled to numerous foreign lands and poses a terrorist threat.

No discussion as to whether of not the one million people on the watch list deserve to be there; just an assumption that they are guilty and therefore should be stripped of their civil rights without due process. If it were a RWer making this argument people would be howling that this was nothing more than an effort to stir-up Islamophobia and they would be right.

Yet, here we are, being fed the guilty-Muslim-until-proven-innocent line and, moreover, we're being told that in order to combat this nefarious evil lurking in the shadows we must restrict the rights of all people -- even those who never travel to nations on the watch list.

Of course, one has to also wonder: What good would even a total prohibition do if someone is prepared to engage in an act of war on US soil? Have terrorists, of any stripe, been thwarted in their ability to gain the weapons of their choosing whether guns, bombs or carpet razors?
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X-Post: "Gun Rights for Terrorists" [View all] Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 OP
The Constitution is obviously important, but it's OK to ignore it if we're dealing petronius Feb 2015 #1
"our default position should be to maximize protection & preservation of those rights and liberties" Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #2
So what do you propose? Neon Gods Feb 2015 #14
Should we dump the Terrorist Watch List altogether? gejohnston Feb 2015 #16
Gun grabbers are running around, pointing their fingers and yelling, "TERRORISTS!" at anyone they Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #32
It's easy to whine and complain about... stone space Mar 2015 #39
You seem incapable of making an honest statement. Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #40
Because people like you supported her rite to "lawful menacing". stone space Mar 2015 #41
Explain how one person owning a gun constitutes supporting another person threatening others. Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #42
Heh, I suspect the answer to your question would vary depending on whether the petronius Feb 2015 #23
Nobody stopped Craig Hicks. Nobody stopped Veronica Dunnachie. stone space Feb 2015 #3
"Nobody stopped Craig Hicks. Nobody stopped Veronica Dunnachie." Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #4
Why were they allowed to terrorize people with their gunz? (nt) stone space Feb 2015 #5
Despite your lurid fantasies, guns are not the only means by which people are killed. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #6
They were seen terrorizing people with their gunz in public stone space Feb 2015 #7
You're not even being coherent; you're just lobbing emotional rants. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #8
Craig Hicks terrorized 3 Muslims with his gun... stone space Mar 2015 #33
Yes. You're talking. We know. Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #34
Because some folks here support... stone space Mar 2015 #35
"Because some folks here support Hicks 'right' to terrorize his neighbors with his gun." Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #36
There's nothing funny about... stone space Mar 2015 #37
"terrorism is considered a God-given rite {sic} here in this country" Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #38
Really? Neon Gods Feb 2015 #13
No, it doesn't originate from outside the city gejohnston Feb 2015 #18
That's called mis-direction Neon Gods Feb 2015 #22
no it isn't gejohnston Mar 2015 #27
Facing reality? Neon Gods Mar 2015 #43
Really? gejohnston Mar 2015 #47
Like these terrorists? benEzra Feb 2015 #9
Ted kennedy was on the list Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #10
Senator Kennedy was not on the list. ManiacJoe Feb 2015 #24
even worse Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #30
Suddenly lots of love for BushCo's secret lists...nt virginia mountainman Feb 2015 #11
Yeah, suddenly Bush/Cheney's list is popular with progressives, funny that? DonP Feb 2015 #12
So, you are saying we should abolish the list? Neon Gods Feb 2015 #15
How many terrorists are on the list? gejohnston Feb 2015 #17
What if 90% on the list are terrorists, and half of those pose a danger to us? Neon Gods Feb 2015 #20
Real progressives sarisataka Mar 2015 #25
It is an opinion of a gejohnston Mar 2015 #26
'Lists' are fine. Law enforcement is supposed to investigate crimes and potential dangers, petronius Feb 2015 #21
Yes... virginia mountainman Mar 2015 #28
Have terrorists been thwarted? Neon Gods Feb 2015 #19
If French and Belgian gun laws gejohnston Mar 2015 #29
Yeah, lets' just give up! Neon Gods Mar 2015 #44
Laws do not prevent criminal acts gejohnston Mar 2015 #45
The WH is a specific, defined, limited area. The grabbers are trying to exploit the GWoT Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #31
"Grabbers want to use a law designed for war to control their own citizens..." Neon Gods Mar 2015 #46
People don't have to petition to exercise their inherent rights. Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #48
The Bush/Cheney secret blacklists were and are a blight on civil liberties benEzra Mar 2015 #49
I find it fucking disgusting to read on DU that 'they're not inherently a bad idea'... friendly_iconoclast Mar 2015 #50
This is where you drop the microphone and walk away. Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #51
If I am not mistaken, the rifle shown in the picture is a muzzle loader. oneshooter Mar 2015 #52
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