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In reply to the discussion: This message was self-deleted by its author [View all]jimmy the one
(2,708 posts)56. both rose again
From 2000 which was 64% to 2011 at 69% despite gun ownership remaining stable. So why is the proportion of firearm homicides over all homicides increasing if ownership remained stable? The average for 1993-1998 (period of decline) was 69%.
Gun ownership was not totally stable, it rose about 10% the years you note, accd'g to gallup, & kinda by gss:
Accd'g to Gallup*, HH gun ownership rose from 2000 to ~2011, approx. 34% to ~40%, and personal gun ownership going from ~27% to 29% spiking to 33% 2011/12;
GSS has gun ownership remaining stable with a slight decline 35 -34 and 23 - 22, but caveats that HH pistols & shotguns rose from ~9% to ~18% 2003 to 2011, inferring that rifle ownership declined those very years (graph, your post 53). A rise in handgun ownership would be a correlation to higher murder rates.
* (tho I discount somewhat gallup as leaning republican this century);
Gun ownership was not totally stable, it rose about 10% the years you note, accd'g to gallup, & kinda by gss:
Accd'g to Gallup*, HH gun ownership rose from 2000 to ~2011, approx. 34% to ~40%, and personal gun ownership going from ~27% to 29% spiking to 33% 2011/12;
GSS has gun ownership remaining stable with a slight decline 35 -34 and 23 - 22, but caveats that HH pistols & shotguns rose from ~9% to ~18% 2003 to 2011, inferring that rifle ownership declined those very years (graph, your post 53). A rise in handgun ownership would be a correlation to higher murder rates.
* (tho I discount somewhat gallup as leaning republican this century);
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The cumulative count will always increase unless people start rising from the dead.
hack89
Aug 2014
#6
An unsupported claim *and* a strawman in just one sentence. Well done!
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2014
#24
Let me know when it drops below the rate of death from e-bola in the US.
notrightatall
Oct 2014
#202
And this is why I feel good about resisting the people that want me to ban you, SM
krispos42
Aug 2014
#8
You're "helping the cause" in the same way Ian Paisley used to "help" Unionism...
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2014
#17
So you think I'm being harassed for being the host of a group that bans gun nuts?
SecularMotion
Aug 2014
#26
Well the only place where opposing views to the ones presented in your echo chamber
shedevil69taz
Aug 2014
#31
A flat declaration of fact is now an "opinion", and a strawman is repeated
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2014
#39
Rates declining is not the same as the proportion of guns used to commit homicide.
acalix
Aug 2014
#50
Great Post! The 2a is racist, unnecessary, and evil. It should be repealed.
ncjustice80
Sep 2014
#58
Bogus! That mofo just keeps popping up. Such clearly debunked bullshit, and it still comes up.
NYC_SKP
Oct 2014
#81
The Dred Scott decision was passed, in part, to prevent slaves from owning guns.
Nuclear Unicorn
Sep 2014
#67
Hit and run cowards with hands on their keyboards are giving aid and comfort to the GOP. NT
pablo_marmol
Sep 2014
#70
I think you're right but I wouldn't blame movies and books and TV shows on the NRA.
NYC_SKP
Sep 2014
#72
Even if we accept your erroneous interpretation that would still make the 2A addressed to the people
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2014
#124
It's kind looking, from the passge you have cited, that individual liberty is the issue at hand.
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2014
#129
The passage -- which was selected by you and is not the totality of the debate -- deals with
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2014
#140
Your entire line of argument is moot, thanks to the unorganized militia...
friendly_iconoclast
Oct 2014
#191
The ageist and sexist language wouldn't stand up to legal challenge
friendly_iconoclast
Oct 2014
#208
Your claim conflicts directly with the wording of the Second Amendment itself
friendly_iconoclast
Oct 2014
#216
The 'collective' reading of the Second Amendment is what's moot...
friendly_iconoclast
Oct 2014
#238