Gun Control & RKBA

friendly_iconoclast

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19. The general public has rights, but only up to a point

Wed Aug 27, 2014, 03:18 PM

Aug 2014

What happens when a majority starts dictating individual religious practices?

Or just who a person may marry/have sex with, what they may do with their reproductive organs, or where they can live?

All these things have been done (and are being done now in various places) and all for
"the public good".

There's a reason the phrase "the tyranny of the majority" has been part of political
discourse for two centuries now...

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If a CCW applicant has to take classes and pass tests... [View all] discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2014 OP

I vote yes, and add that LEOs should have to pass constitutional literacy tests. NYC_SKP Aug 2014 #1

The desk SwankyXomb Aug 2014 #2

Moreover, they are permitted by law to be liars to citizens. NYC_SKP Aug 2014 #3

What do you mean by "understand?" ZombieHorde Aug 2014 #4

Well, based on further comments about Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #26

I definately support studies ZombieHorde Aug 2014 #29

no you continue to allow gejohnston Aug 2014 #30

Terminology and basic functionality discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2014 #35

Thanks for the answer. nt ZombieHorde Aug 2014 #66

You're welcome discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2014 #67

Understand what exactly? How each gun works? Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #5

the former gejohnston Aug 2014 #7

And do you think the legislators all know how to fly planes and how they work? Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #8

the relaxing of gun laws and other fear driven legislation. gejohnston Aug 2014 #9

The legislators don't know jack clffrdjk Aug 2014 #10

Can't disagree with that. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #12

struggle between individual rights and public safety gejohnston Aug 2014 #14

So, in your view, the general public has no rights? Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #16

The general public has rights, but only up to a point friendly_iconoclast Aug 2014 #19

Then that would be a majority and not the public as a whole. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #36

I don't think you understand the concept that well. gejohnston Aug 2014 #24

How many of those "proper government functions" are working for you GE? Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #45

some clarifications gejohnston Aug 2014 #49

Post script gejohnston Aug 2014 #51

Red Dawn? Nope Sorry. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #84

did you look up the 1984 version gejohnston Aug 2014 #86

The interesting thing with the gun debate clffrdjk Aug 2014 #17

Maybe it's like the Manhattan Project and the decision to bomb Hiroshima Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #20

Yes. Straw Man Aug 2014 #11

I agree Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #13

You ban it, you define it. nt Eleanors38 Aug 2014 #34

Terminology and basic functionality discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2014 #40

OK. I'm good with that. nt Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #46

You're a reasonable dude... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2014 #53

I do not expect my legislator to be an expert sarisataka Aug 2014 #6

The "experts" all come from the gun lobby. nt flamin lib Aug 2014 #15

Antigun types tend to not know what they're talking about and/or embrace ignorance friendly_iconoclast Aug 2014 #18

I am not anti gun. flamin lib Aug 2014 #21

Trouble is, the NRA does actually provide competent instruction... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2014 #22

See? There ya go being confrontational. Lacing your reply with commentary insulting to flamin lib Aug 2014 #25

At least two of those Duckhunter935 Aug 2014 #28

So? list all the "grass roots" groups in the gun lobby. flamin lib Aug 2014 #37

No, wrong, incorrect. IronGate Aug 2014 #42

Dream on. flamin lib Aug 2014 #44

Can you be kind enough Duckhunter935 Aug 2014 #50

Read it in two articles in financial magazines. Business Insider and flamin lib Aug 2014 #68

The grassroots stuff tends to be state-level. Glaug-Eldare Aug 2014 #56

GOAL MA is indeed grass roots org. They spent less than $10k flamin lib Aug 2014 #70

Your post #25 has three problems: 1)I insulted no one- the groups mentioned are... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2014 #62

No, they don't say no one should have guns. You are parroting the NRA which you flamin lib Aug 2014 #69

As long as those owners are pre-approved by TPTB, and use only 19th C. technology friendly_iconoclast Aug 2014 #71

Some stuff just ain't worth the time. nt flamin lib Aug 2014 #72

Ah yes, the George Aiken approach: Declare victory and leave friendly_iconoclast Aug 2014 #73

I didn't declare victory, just stated the obvious. ttfn nt flamin lib Aug 2014 #74

Never get involved in a land war in Asia, and never... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2014 #76

and never let your alligator mouth overload your paper bag ass. flamin lib Aug 2014 #77

The jibes of the politically ineffectual are more amusing than stinging friendly_iconoclast Aug 2014 #78

Be careful what you wish for, I just gave it to you. flamin lib Aug 2014 #80

Sigh, okay guess I have to tick em off one at a time. flamin lib Aug 2014 #79

Loudly got PPR'd? IronGate Aug 2014 #31

To be completely accurate you mean PPR'd ... again DonP Aug 2014 #32

By way of information: discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2014 #39

Huh, same as the last time DonP Aug 2014 #63

As Led Zeppelin said: discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2014 #64

There will be some conflict of interest sarisataka Aug 2014 #23

Yes, let's find them, and create a graded license system for gun ownership. JoePhilly Aug 2014 #27

You kind of missed the point discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2014 #41

That's ok, I FIXED the point. JoePhilly Aug 2014 #47

I wasn't discounting your suggestions discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2014 #54

Will you also be willing to apply this system to other dangerous rights, or equipment? oneshooter Aug 2014 #89

The system I described IS the system for driver's licenses. JoePhilly Aug 2014 #90

Some finer points discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2014 #91

I'll be frank ... JoePhilly Aug 2014 #92

I'm always Frank... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2014 #93

No. You can't require legislators to know everything about every subject, Glaug-Eldare Aug 2014 #33

"people affect by it..." A measure of political viability. Eleanors38 Aug 2014 #38

What you describe is the original lobbyist, someone who hung out in the lobby of the hotel where leg flamin lib Aug 2014 #43

To some extent, but as much as anything I mean testimony. Glaug-Eldare Aug 2014 #48

I'm aware of this. OWS does this on banking/financial legislation. flamin lib Aug 2014 #75

It makes me sad when I see our elected officials... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2014 #52

In the words of a certain bourgeois outer space military officer, Glaug-Eldare Aug 2014 #55

Well, General Steiner, another outer space officer said discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2014 #57

A great chief among my people once said, Glaug-Eldare Aug 2014 #58

As told to Cloud William: discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2014 #60

Oh, here's a good'n when somebody's arguing nonsense: Glaug-Eldare Aug 2014 #65

Isn't knowing "guns kill people" enough? ileus Aug 2014 #59

Sure it is discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2014 #61

Do you want this on the streets???!!!!! DesMoinesDem Aug 2014 #81

Yikes! I'm calling Danny Glover. discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2014 #82

Is not being a dumbass too much to ask? ileus Aug 2014 #83

One of my pet peeves is terminology discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2014 #85

A piston powered Sig is always a good bet. ileus Aug 2014 #87

Thanks discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2014 #88