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gejohnston

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43. UK and Australia has more machine gun crime than we do
Wed May 21, 2014, 05:32 PM
May 2014
Fact is, you can buy them, Thompson's, Uzis, Stens, M16s, Mac10s, you name them, any gun you want.
All you need is the $$$, the right state and a background check.
Hell, I can get a Mac-10 for 200 quid without a background check. In Australia, I can buy an Owens, STEN, or some homemade design from the Hells Angels without a background check. Both are a lot easier than jumping through ATF hoops. Not legal, but still can be done.
Until 1977, Canadians had to jump through hoops to buy a pistol, but legally buying a machine gun wasn't that much different than a lever action .30-30.
The only legal machine gun used in a crime since NFA was a cop with a Mac-10 registered with the department. Before and just after NFA (other than the mob like Al Capone) were usually stolen from the cops or national guard.
So banning something that is not used in crime in the name of "public safety" seems kind of absurd and illiberal.
Is there something you would like to discuss? blueridge3210 May 2014 #1
more cut and paste Duckhunter935 May 2014 #2
Stop the presses! Straw Man May 2014 #3
Brake the law, go to jail. The system seems to have worked. ManiacJoe May 2014 #4
But he was a CCW holder. One of the "good guys". Starboard Tack May 2014 #5
In a comic-book world, it couldn't. Straw Man May 2014 #6
Yep, very nuanced! Starboard Tack May 2014 #11
Anything constructive to add? blueridge3210 May 2014 #13
Apparently not. Straw Man May 2014 #17
Yeah. blueridge3210 May 2014 #18
A Jr. High level! Really? Starboard Tack May 2014 #22
Yes, a Jr. High level. blueridge3210 May 2014 #25
Please explain what those reasons are if not to shoot "bad guys" Starboard Tack May 2014 #28
Welcome to DU Starboard Tack May 2014 #19
Because a human was involved? That would be my guess. hack89 May 2014 #7
A human in a bar waving a gun? A "GOOD GUY" human, you mean Starboard Tack May 2014 #12
Not all gun owners are good guys. That would be impossible hack89 May 2014 #14
And what do "gun owners" have to do with this OP? Starboard Tack May 2014 #21
I understand your frustration hack89 May 2014 #24
I'm not here to solve your problems. I'm here to comment. Starboard Tack May 2014 #30
What kinds of weapons would you restrict and why? nt hack89 May 2014 #33
Not my job. That's for you guys to figure out. Starboard Tack May 2014 #35
We made that decision in 1934 and it has served us well every since. No need to change it. hack89 May 2014 #37
There you go again. Sometimes I wonder if you actually read my posts. Starboard Tack May 2014 #41
Full auto weapons are a red herring hack89 May 2014 #42
And I never said they were a present threat to anyone. Starboard Tack May 2014 #44
So, if they are not a present threat blueridge3210 May 2014 #46
Why is it such a good idea to get rid of them all? Starboard Tack May 2014 #50
Legal concealed carry is not a problem hack89 May 2014 #47
Can you make up your mind? blueridge3210 May 2014 #38
I'm not interested in the details of which weapons you restrict. Starboard Tack May 2014 #40
UK and Australia has more machine gun crime than we do gejohnston May 2014 #43
So, are you OK with every country, or any country having nukes too? Starboard Tack May 2014 #45
Since no one is arguing for everyone to have firearms blueridge3210 May 2014 #48
Did I say anyone was arguing for that? Thought not. Starboard Tack May 2014 #53
What does that have to do with anything? gejohnston May 2014 #49
Yes, and we've been assured over and over again... tosh May 2014 #8
Reading comrehension fail. blueridge3210 May 2014 #9
Beats me. It's a "good guy" thing. Starboard Tack May 2014 #10
Where did you get that "guarantees" bullshit? hack89 May 2014 #15
If all you have is a hammer......(nt) blueridge3210 May 2014 #16
Right, I forgot, it's a "in general CCW holders blah, blah, bullshit" kinda thing Starboard Tack May 2014 #20
This is where you present your data hack89 May 2014 #23
Wrong! This is where we discuss and exchange thoughts and ideas. Starboard Tack May 2014 #27
Do you dispute the fact that CCW permit holders hack89 May 2014 #29
No. There is probably little or no difference. Starboard Tack May 2014 #31
There is a huge difference - we have discussed it here many times. hack89 May 2014 #32
Wrong again. Starboard Tack May 2014 #39
I do think more CCW holders commit more "justifiable homicides" than the general population gejohnston May 2014 #34
Statistics are hard. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #36
Sounds to me SevenSixtyTwo May 2014 #26
Drunks in a bar carrying guns. Warpy May 2014 #51
Well you woke up the DU gun lobby. n/t doc03 May 2014 #52
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