Gun Control & RKBA

YllwFvr

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147. What is in your house that is so valuable that you have a need to have so many guns?

Reply to southernyankeebelle (Reply #41)

Wed Feb 8, 2012, 01:48 AM

Feb 2012

The lives of my family.
I carry to church because crazy people have shot up churches before. I don't go to the bars unless I'm buying food or pick up a six pack.
I own multiple guns for multiple purposes. One pistol I carry on duty, another my fiance keeps around in the house, a shotgun for clay pigeons, and the rifles just because they are so much fun to shoot paper with.

Law enforcement has no legal obligation to protect you. The courts have held that ruling many times. You are the only person you can rely on for your protection. The police generally get there to take a statement on what happened to you. Or draw the chalk line.

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An example of why we don't to leave the second amendment up to the states. [View all] Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 OP

Good for them. I don't see what UZIs do for hunting animals. I hate guns. I would never southernyankeebelle Feb 2012 #1

What do you think an "UZI" is.... PavePusher Feb 2012 #3

I honestly don't think gejohnston Feb 2012 #5

It could be a water pistol. I just don't like guns. You can have them I just don't want them. southernyankeebelle Feb 2012 #9

The 2nd Amendment has not a single thing to do with hunting.. pipoman Feb 2012 #11

What about those of us who do not hunt? liberal_biker Feb 2012 #26

So you admit to ignorance? PavePusher Feb 2012 #28

All posters here have an opinion. I am just one poster with MY OWN opinion. southernyankeebelle Feb 2012 #35

Fair enough. liberal_biker Feb 2012 #37

I stress I personally do not like guns. In a perfect world I wish no one had them. I know that southernyankeebelle Feb 2012 #48

I apologize as well, same reason. PavePusher Feb 2012 #40

No I don't care if you carry guns. I am scared to death of guns. I don't understand why southernyankeebelle Feb 2012 #43

People carry them in public.... liberal_biker Feb 2012 #49

There will come a day... jeepnstein Feb 2012 #90

It would be nice if that day had any chance of coming liberal_biker Feb 2012 #92

That is true ...... oldhippie Jan 2013 #267

the Uzi in question gejohnston Feb 2012 #4

Thank you. I just am scared to death of guns. I had a brother-in-law who was an expert user of southernyankeebelle Feb 2012 #6

Not to put too fine a point on it.... liberal_biker Feb 2012 #42

He was. It was a new rifle and the first time he used it. He had stuffed small cougar, a stuffed southernyankeebelle Feb 2012 #46

I'm really not trying to be rude.... liberal_biker Feb 2012 #50

So many misconceptions, so little time. Straw Man Feb 2012 #15

But a lot of folks have those misconceptions -- maybe you are the one misconceiving. Hoyt Feb 2012 #17

And yet, because these folks have these misconceptions... krispos42 Feb 2012 #19

Correcting anyone about what? You need to understand that some people don't give a darn about Hoyt Feb 2012 #24

See? Revolver equals bazooka for all intents and purposes krispos42 Feb 2012 #80

You expect me to think a serious post would mean anything to those Hoyt Feb 2012 #81

Well, it might work better than your current approach n/t krispos42 Feb 2012 #82

So let me get this straight ... Straw Man Feb 2012 #20

No I'm not claiming that. I'm claiming most people don't want folks carrying guns in public -- Hoyt Feb 2012 #29

Who gives a shit? liberal_biker Feb 2012 #31

Now, that's the attitude I'm familiar with. Guns are not the same as the Civil Rights or Gay Right Hoyt Feb 2012 #34

No you're right - they arent. liberal_biker Feb 2012 #39

Not true. Try reading the 2nd Amendment a little closer. Not sure where you come up with that Hoyt Feb 2012 #44

Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #51

No it's not, read Justice Stevens' decent in Heller. You might actually learn something. Hoyt Feb 2012 #60

Hm..... liberal_biker Feb 2012 #62

Actually four agreed. And, you don't see DC or Chicago changing anything. Hoyt Feb 2012 #73

All 9 agreed.... liberal_biker Feb 2012 #88

As an aside to your claim.... liberal_biker Feb 2012 #107

Just because a lot of people have those misconceptions... liberal_biker Feb 2012 #27

You are still misconceiving. Hoyt Feb 2012 #30

Well you're right about one thing.... liberal_biker Feb 2012 #33

Believe it or not, there are lots of legal things that people just should not do. Hoyt Feb 2012 #53

Whether you think they SHOULD do it or not.... liberal_biker Feb 2012 #55

Yea, I'm "bigoted" against those who strap a gun or two on to venture out into public. Hoyt Feb 2012 #58

Describe to us what a "well regulated militia" is. oneshooter Feb 2012 #76

Read Stevens' dissent. Here's link. He explains it so that even the "Gun Culture" can understand it. Hoyt Feb 2012 #79

Since you rairly read anything that opposes your view, I would like it in your words. oneshooter Feb 2012 #97

You may not realize this, but... liberal_biker Feb 2012 #98

Sure it does - it might be cited in next case, and maybe there will be one less right winger Hoyt Feb 2012 #104

So you have a losers opinion - so what? hack89 Feb 2012 #102

I read it and it was because of the weak line of logic that Heller won the day. aikoaiko Feb 2012 #216

More likely right wing Justices went along with NRA and similar groups' faulty reasoning. Hoyt Feb 2012 #217

Maybe the prevailing opinion would be more instructive Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #243

Incontheivable! Common Sense Party Feb 2012 #47

Don't think I've used that word. Maybe you can point it out. Hoyt Feb 2012 #56

"That" word is "misconceivng". Common Sense Party Feb 2012 #67

Look it up. Hoyt Feb 2012 #72

I guess you finally checked a dictionary. Hoyt Feb 2012 #105

I do not think it means what YOU think it means, Vizzini. Common Sense Party Feb 2012 #112

Sounds like a maternity ward. Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #268

I don't know the difference in guns. I don't really care if people want to own them. I hate guns southernyankeebelle Feb 2012 #22

Good for you. liberal_biker Feb 2012 #25

The only "fear" I see here is among those who have to surround themselves with guns. Hoyt Feb 2012 #36

+1 ellisonz Feb 2012 #83

Hypocritical? DragonBorn Feb 2012 #172

lol ellisonz Feb 2012 #177

The same way one fears cbrer Feb 2012 #175

What is in your house that is so valuable that you have a need to have so many guns? I'm just southernyankeebelle Feb 2012 #41

Law enforcement often isn't able to prevent or stop crimes that are being committed. Their function Common Sense Party Feb 2012 #52

Now that I can respect. Even though you have it you are wise enough to know you always don't need southernyankeebelle Feb 2012 #57

But I'm also wise enough to bring it when I do think I might need it. Common Sense Party Feb 2012 #68

Your the kind of person who should carry a gun. You sound level headed. southernyankeebelle Feb 2012 #71

What is in my house that is so valuable? liberal_biker Feb 2012 #59

Yep, you are exactly the kind of person I would fear in a establishment. You sound like a hot head. southernyankeebelle Feb 2012 #63

You must be afraid of a lot... liberal_biker Feb 2012 #65

She didn't say you were a hot head. You just sound like one. Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #109

Well that last sentence is a pretty clear bastardization of what I actually said... liberal_biker Feb 2012 #111

You must be kidding Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #134

I guess you need this spelled out for you. beevul Feb 2012 #149

You really think it needed explaining? Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #156

So let me get this straight.... liberal_biker Feb 2012 #157

And what exactly do you claim to be educated about? Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #158

I have no problem with it. liberal_biker Feb 2012 #160

"Funny part?" Really? Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #161

Yeah - really. liberal_biker Feb 2012 #162

Yeah, you do. Union Scribe Feb 2012 #205

Nah! I think I've got him pegged. Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #223

Fortunately... ellisonz Feb 2012 #226

Quelle surprise! Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #231

its YOU that need correcting here, not him. beevul Feb 2012 #163

I guess I was right. Oops! Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #244

Discerning about what? beevul Feb 2012 #257

Nobody put words in his mouth and you know it. Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #258

All you have to do is scroll up and look... beevul Feb 2012 #259

I have read all his posts several times. Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #260

+1 ellisonz Feb 2012 #261

My intention was never to discuss him, in the first place. beevul Feb 2012 #262

Beevul was kind enough to explain the grammar to you liberal_biker Feb 2012 #154

+1 ellisonz Feb 2012 #123

Blood spilled by a knife is of the same composition as blood spilled by a bullet. Marengo Feb 2012 #153

Gun owners are paranoid? DragonBorn Feb 2012 #167

No, no, you don't understand.... liberal_biker Feb 2012 #171

A few points: PavePusher Feb 2012 #108

What is in your house that is so valuable that you have a need to have so many guns? YllwFvr Feb 2012 #147

I can't ascribe my opinions cbrer Feb 2012 #176

why would this be a bad thing? bowens43 Feb 2012 #2

Oh reality... Clames Feb 2012 #7

Problems with your post... SteveW Feb 2012 #13

All 9 justices thought differently. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #16

+10000. Maybe when the makeup of the Supreme Court changes, those 5/4 rulings will turn. Hoyt Feb 2012 #38

Keep telling yourself that.... liberal_biker Feb 2012 #155

Please discribe to us what a "well regulated militia" consists of. oneshooter Feb 2012 #78

I'm a gun owner, but I keep an open mind on some gun control issues. JohnnyRingo Feb 2012 #8

If I were riding fence in Wyoming or Montana gejohnston Feb 2012 #10

All thay ammo is like money in the bank. ileus Feb 2012 #12

The purpose of such firearms. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #14

Depends on how one defines "self defense". JohnnyRingo Feb 2012 #21

On high powered rifles. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #23

"Renegade government?" Man if they ever require a psychological evualtion before one can own a gun, Hoyt Feb 2012 #32

His words, not mine. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #45

No Korean store owner I've ever seen... ellisonz Feb 2012 #84

Congratulations- You've completed the Fallacy of Kael trifecta: friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #93

Thank you for discounting... ellisonz Feb 2012 #116

The fact that you don't personally know anyone... liberal_biker Feb 2012 #117

And you have no idea how many Korean owned liquor stores... ellisonz Feb 2012 #120

Have you been into ALL of them? Straw Man Feb 2012 #125

Have you been into ALL of them? ellisonz Feb 2012 #126

No, but I'm not the one making claims. Straw Man Feb 2012 #148

I only claimed my personal experience. ellisonz Feb 2012 #151

Do you personally search Korean mart you enter... Marengo Feb 2012 #152

Damn right. ellisonz Feb 2012 #159

Quite a bit, the answer is no then. Now, did you ask... Marengo Feb 2012 #164

No. Did you? ellisonz Feb 2012 #165

So based upon... liberal_biker Feb 2012 #166

This poster is no longer with us. n/t ellisonz Feb 2012 #206

Pistols? DragonBorn Feb 2012 #168

? Glassunion Feb 2012 #178

At home... ellisonz Feb 2012 #179

What are you talking about "at home"? Glassunion Feb 2012 #180

One photo is not a trend. ellisonz Feb 2012 #181

since the cops retreated and left them to fend for themselves gejohnston Feb 2012 #182

Think it through. ellisonz Feb 2012 #183

IIRC gejohnston Feb 2012 #185

There was... ellisonz Feb 2012 #189

To quote you... Glassunion Feb 2012 #184

Okay. Maybe I should have just cautioned unless in a riot situation. ellisonz Feb 2012 #187

Keep in mind Glassunion Feb 2012 #188

I've read about the riots... ellisonz Feb 2012 #191

Ok... So the model of "assault weapon" makes a difference? Glassunion Feb 2012 #194

Really... ellisonz Feb 2012 #195

You really dont understand DragonBorn Feb 2012 #215

"Just because you don't see them doesn't mean their not there." ellisonz Feb 2012 #219

Try responding to the question DragonBorn Feb 2012 #224

How many of those people kept assault rifles in their store? ellisonz Feb 2012 #225

What then is your claim in post #84 based on? Marengo Feb 2012 #197

My personal experience and reasoning ability. n/t ellisonz Feb 2012 #199

Let's try again, shall we? Marengo Feb 2012 #202

How about you try again... ellisonz Feb 2012 #204

Once again did you ASK every Korean store owner... Marengo Feb 2012 #208

In other words, you have no data from the persons in question to back you original statement Marengo Feb 2012 #209

Oh I never pretended to. liberal_biker Feb 2012 #129

Personal experiences are, by definition, personal. Not universal. friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #122

I never said otherwise... ellisonz Feb 2012 #124

Just because you have never personally seen them, does not mean they don't exist. Glassunion Feb 2012 #94

Once again.... liberal_biker Feb 2012 #95

I never made that claim. n/t ellisonz Feb 2012 #140

Well, you did challenge people who questioned on that. Straw Man Feb 2012 #174

But you have claimed that our (yours & mine) experiences are identical Marengo Feb 2012 #212

So your experience on the average day is that the average liquor store owner has an AK in his store? ellisonz Feb 2012 #218

As I made no claim whatsoever, how is it you conclude our experiences are identical? Marengo Feb 2012 #220

AK or no AK. Straw Man Feb 2012 #221

My conclusion is supported by my observation. ellisonz Feb 2012 #222

Did you actually look behind each counter or ask each store owner? Marengo Feb 2012 #227

Ha... ellisonz Feb 2012 #228

Nope, I've made no claim. You have, therefore burden's on you. Marengo Feb 2012 #229

"Cite or retract." ellisonz Feb 2012 #230

Your credibility lies in shards. Straw Man Feb 2012 #233

Says you... ellisonz Feb 2012 #234

Says I ... Straw Man Feb 2012 #235

I don't feel a need to prove myself correct... ellisonz Feb 2012 #236

Yes, that much is clear. Straw Man Feb 2012 #239

I'm waiting for either a citation from you of where I made such a statement, or a retraction... Marengo Feb 2012 #237

There are no neutral observers in this Group. ellisonz Feb 2012 #241

Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #242

I'm still waiting ellisonz... Marengo Feb 2012 #245

Not going to do either one. ellisonz Feb 2012 #246

Yes, I do and will continue to question your integrity Marengo Feb 2012 #251

I'm simply suggesting you have a motive here... ellisonz Feb 2012 #253

My only "motive" is not to be associated with a position I have not articulated. Marengo Feb 2012 #254

"I haven't seen one, and therefore they don't exist." Straw Man Feb 2012 #232

What is the difference? Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #96

Now, perhaps you can explain the substantive difference between... Marengo Feb 2012 #200

I'm not getting in a technical debate. ellisonz Feb 2012 #201

FYI, Other than the operating system... Marengo Feb 2012 #203

Don't expect an answer. He tends to run away when asked about his lack of knowledge. oneshooter Feb 2012 #210

Interesting, he certainly presents himself as knowledgeable. N/T Marengo Feb 2012 #211

His knowledge is from what he reads on the internet. oneshooter Feb 2012 #213

"I'm not getting in a technical debate." Simo 1939_1940 Feb 2012 #214

There will not be such a scenario. discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2012 #75

It's always refreshing to hear a voice of sanity from a gun owner. Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #110

A rather loaded statement Starboard... Marengo Feb 2012 #238

How perceptive of you Marengo. Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #240

I understand you point of view... Marengo Feb 2012 #247

I had no desire to negatively characterize all gun owners. Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #248

That's a well thought out post. Hoyt Feb 2012 #18

"He needs his guns to protect his guns from criminals." ellisonz Feb 2012 #85

So much wrong with this DragonBorn Feb 2012 #173

Boy oh boy I see posters here see no reason to have some limits. It's not worth even having southernyankeebelle Feb 2012 #54

Open mind? liberal_biker Feb 2012 #61

Yep, like I said hothead. southernyankeebelle Feb 2012 #64

Yep... liberal_biker Feb 2012 #66

She's got you pegged. n/t ellisonz Feb 2012 #86

We already have "some limits". Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #74

Please, propose what you think would be a reasonable limit, and support your assertion.... PavePusher Feb 2012 #99

No matter what I say many posters won't agree. Why bother really? southernyankeebelle Feb 2012 #101

If you have nothing to add.... liberal_biker Feb 2012 #103

Someone might. I honestly don't think that you'll come up with something new, but you might. PavePusher Feb 2012 #106

Understand, southernyankeebelle, that those of us who support Simo 1939_1940 Feb 2012 #136

Emphasis on "one book by an esteemed liberal criminologist" Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #249

You mean Gary Kleck? gejohnston Feb 2012 #255

Yes, and your quote is excellent. Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #256

There are plently of limits already DragonBorn Feb 2012 #169

Not that I needed another reason to dislike Romney, but this will do. Dissonance Feb 2012 #69

Why do you need to own an unlimited number of guns as fast you can buy them? n/t ellisonz Feb 2012 #87

Who said anything about need? liberal_biker Feb 2012 #89

I fail to see where... ellisonz Feb 2012 #113

You can ask all you want. liberal_biker Feb 2012 #118

Why does anyone have to justify their need/needs to you? N/T beevul Feb 2012 #91

Why do you have respond to my post? n/t ellisonz Feb 2012 #114

Because this is a discussion board, and I'd like an answer to that question. beevul Feb 2012 #150

Why should there be quantity/calender limits? PavePusher Feb 2012 #100

Why shouldn't there be some limits? ellisonz Feb 2012 #115

You don't seem to understand how this works liberal_biker Feb 2012 #119

Bahahaha... ellisonz Feb 2012 #121

Where did I say Dissonance Feb 2012 #127

Your post implies that gun control reform by its nature is a losing wedge issue. ellisonz Feb 2012 #128

"I'm hardly ignorant of firearms" oneshooter Feb 2012 #130

Thanks buddy! ellisonz Feb 2012 #131

because you don't seem to have a lot, if any, knowledge oneshooter Feb 2012 #135

"You have claimed to have never owned a firearm, then you claim to own them." ellisonz Feb 2012 #137

I know horse people gejohnston Feb 2012 #138

Prove it. ellisonz Feb 2012 #139

not the same thing gejohnston Feb 2012 #143

Fortunately... ellisonz Feb 2012 #144

Awwwwwwwww but still missing much gejohnston Feb 2012 #145

But.... but... but.... PavePusher Feb 2012 #146

You are correct, I was crossing one of your posts with Hoyts. oneshooter Feb 2012 #141

Thank you for acknowledging that. . ellisonz Feb 2012 #142

A horse is a horse DragonBorn Feb 2012 #170

I've read books on criminology... ellisonz Feb 2012 #250

because none of your proposals gejohnston Feb 2012 #132

"reasonable gun control reform" Simo 1939_1940 Feb 2012 #133

What reasonable gun control measures Dissonance Feb 2012 #186

I am about saving lives. ellisonz Feb 2012 #190

As can I Dissonance Feb 2012 #192

Gun control can be self-supporting. ellisonz Feb 2012 #193

Since when Dissonance Feb 2012 #196

Crime is not in a "free-fall" - Crime is plateauing over the last decade. ellisonz Feb 2012 #198

Free fall, plateau, Dissonance Feb 2012 #207

The gun lobby is big money. ellisonz Feb 2012 #252

Elsewhere in Mass... A bunch of guys with REAL machine guns, chainsaw their way into an apartment Glassunion Feb 2012 #70

What was the third most often used lie? discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2012 #77

A reasonable solution, The Perlman Firearms Responsibility Bill proposal matthew04401 Jan 2013 #263

somethings things I disagree with gejohnston Jan 2013 #264

re: somethings things I disagree with. matthew04401 Jan 2013 #269

Was it necessary to zombie this year-old thread? ManiacJoe Jan 2013 #265

Maybe that's why we need guns ellisonz Jan 2013 #266