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gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
1. quite old and quite discredited
Thu Feb 6, 2014, 09:48 AM
Feb 2014

First off, those who opposed slavery also supported the second amendment. Second, it was and is intended to be an individual right. Slave patrols were not part of the militia, they were part of the police system.

This article argues that James Madison wrote the Second Amendment to assure his constituents in Virginia, and the South as a whole, that the federal government could not disarm the state militia, which were the prime instruments for slave control in the South.
Did he provide evidence of this letter to the slave holders of Virginia? No. I guess it was so well hidden that historians could not find until one day a tort lawyer found them.
Also, every state was required to have a militia and there was an individual mandate for each male of age to buy his own gun.

Roger I. Roots pointed out in his article “The Approaching Death of the Collective Right Theory of the Second Amendment,” in the Fall 2000 edition of the Duquesne Law Review
[A]ccording to Bogus, the. . . Second Amendment was an avenue for Southerners and Anti-Federalists, who had lost out in the overall design of the Constitution, to assert a buffer provision against the military power of the federal government. Unfortunately for this line of reasoning, a secret or “hidden” history is neither binding nor helpful in interpreting a constitutional provision. Nor is it nearly as clear, as Bogus suggests, that slavery supporters cowed at stating their support openly during the ratification debates. The Constitution does, after all, contain slavery provisions that were expressed (and thus “unhidden”) in the text — albeit in stifled wording. While these slavery provisions may contain “inscrutable language that the people could not readily understand,” they nonetheless were understood by people of the Founders’ era as slavery provisions. Bogus’s own writings yield scant primary evidence (which would be needed to take his argument on its face) of either any similar understanding regarding the Second Amendment or any secret correspondence among slavery supporters evidencing the notion that the Second Amendment was intended to enable slave states to obstruct the federal government should abolitionists ever gain control of it.



Basically Bogus wrote a shill piece for VPC and Thom Hartman took it seriously.
quite old and quite discredited gejohnston Feb 2014 #1
Is this the same Roger Roots? SecularMotion Feb 2014 #5
No. gejohnston Feb 2014 #7
It's the same guy SecularMotion Feb 2014 #8
compare writing styles gejohnston Feb 2014 #12
It certainly is the same Roger Root and he's a full-blown racist gun nut SecularMotion Feb 2014 #16
using the same writer twice doesn't do anything gejohnston Feb 2014 #18
The biographical profile matches the writer of the paper you cited SecularMotion Feb 2014 #20
I'm talking about the "respectable racest" gejohnston Feb 2014 #22
Here's a connection SecularMotion Feb 2014 #23
Since the copyright is this year gejohnston Feb 2014 #25
the militia WAS the police system. lastlib Feb 2014 #13
not quite gejohnston Feb 2014 #15
How would have rejecting the 2A impact state slave patrols? hack89 Feb 2014 #2
"State" = the body politic. Straw Man Feb 2014 #3
Scrapin' the bottom of the "Cut and Paste" barrel for this one DonP Feb 2014 #4
The first draft of the 2nd Amendment SecularMotion Feb 2014 #6
I always liked that wording better sarisataka Feb 2014 #11
Utter discredited nonsense. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2014 #9
Discredited by whom? SecularMotion Feb 2014 #10
but I do. gejohnston Feb 2014 #19
I found that link earlier SecularMotion Feb 2014 #21
since I was more intrested in the substance of the writer's critique gejohnston Feb 2014 #24
DU is a website for liberal and progressive opinions. SecularMotion Feb 2014 #26
the racist claim was pretty flimsy gejohnston Feb 2014 #27
"poisoning the well" Lizzie Poppet Feb 2014 #30
*yawn* Then why did the northern states duplicate an individual right to keep and bear arms? X_Digger Feb 2014 #14
*sound of crickets chirping* Lizzie Poppet Feb 2014 #37
Bull Shit Boom Sound 416 Feb 2014 #17
Grasping at straws like this one... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2014 #28
Can't believe I am seeing this mouth drool knuckle dragging drivel on DU. geckosfeet Feb 2014 #29
I like your sig line discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2014 #31
The replies are thoughtful, but the OP has written us off as 'zealots'... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2014 #32
I was referring to gun lobbyists SecularMotion Feb 2014 #33
Judging by the context of your post, sked14 Feb 2014 #34
There certainly are some gun lobbyists who post in this group SecularMotion Feb 2014 #35
No I do not, sked14 Feb 2014 #36
Yes, I was talking about members who are gun lobbyists. SecularMotion Feb 2014 #38
How do you know they're gun lobbyists? sked14 Feb 2014 #39
If you're "promoting the 2A" chances are you're a lobbyist SecularMotion Feb 2014 #40
Look. The DNC Party Platform is full of holes. ie, support for the Death Penalty is not cool. NYC_SKP Feb 2014 #42
Most members here support reasonable gun control initiatives, sked14 Feb 2014 #43
I doubt there is anyone supporting no regulation gejohnston Feb 2014 #44
Circular can't tell the difference between a lobbyist and a hobbyist. oneshooter Feb 2014 #41
That's funny right there. *snort* NT blueridge3210 Feb 2014 #46
Disagreeing with you does not make a poster a "gun lobbyist" friendly_iconoclast Feb 2014 #47
Well, that explains non-slaveholding states not only ratifying it, but including it in the state con AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #45
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