Gun Control & RKBA

gejohnston

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98. not quite

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 10:39 PM

Jul 2013

what is known for certain, and there is no dispute based on forensics and eye witness, even the Martin family lawyer concedes (although his claim that Zimmerman should have endured the beating until the cops got there to rescue him, thus making him liable, disgusting. He told it to Piers Morgan after the trial) that Martin had Zimmerman pinned down beating the shit out of him.

Since there is no evidence that Zimmerman started it, all doubt goes to the defendant. That matters regardless of race. BTW you do know that the Sanford City Manager is African American? So is the police chief. Whatever you might think of Sanford or Metro Orlando in general, neither of those two are "uncle toms". Nor is the place small town Mississippi 1952 or Los Angeles umm still. Half of the officers who investigated were Hispanic. Just saying.

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Trayvon Martin is responsible for his own death because he began an illegal physical confrontation [View all] Robb Jul 2013 OP

As far as I am concerned the second Zimmerman spewed his hate and ignored the 911 operator this..... yourout Jul 2013 #1

If calling somebody an asshole is grounds for manslaughter, I commit it every day I drive to work. Travis_0004 Jul 2013 #3

fucking punks is hate speech? gejohnston Jul 2013 #5

yes, when the term is used because the person is black, yes CreekDog Jul 2013 #35

even when spoken by a mixed race person? gejohnston Jul 2013 #39

a mixed race person can't be racist? CreekDog Jul 2013 #40

The FBI found no evidence of racism last year gejohnston Jul 2013 #42

so the agency that tailed MLK JR is telling us that there is no racism? CreekDog Jul 2013 #43

Hoover died a long time ago. gejohnston Jul 2013 #44

so you're saying that Hoover did all the spying, had no assistants, no employees, etc. CreekDog Jul 2013 #45

really? gejohnston Jul 2013 #46

oh from the guy that badmouths the Southern Poverty Law Center...maybe you should quit... CreekDog Jul 2013 #50

not bashing at all gejohnston Jul 2013 #55

oh you never say *ANYTHING* you're just *ASKING* CreekDog Jul 2013 #57

I don't do "me too" much gejohnston Jul 2013 #66

Since Zimmerman is Hispanic, gejohnston Jul 2013 #47

that he could be racist against blacks CreekDog Jul 2013 #48

His African American college teacher gejohnston Jul 2013 #49

so you're saying he's not racist, why didn't you have the guts to say it was your opinion? CreekDog Jul 2013 #51

actually you are wrong as usual gejohnston Jul 2013 #54

okay, so you're a conservative, we know that CreekDog Jul 2013 #56

no, I am not gejohnston Jul 2013 #60

Funny not racist yet all 46 calls to 911 to report suspicious charachters in the neighborhood were VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #52

you didn't watch the trial did you? gejohnston Jul 2013 #58

Oh yes I did! VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #59

the entire thing gejohnston Jul 2013 #62

So did I...I work from home.... VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #64

Here is the transcripts of them... VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #63

And your defective conclusion is what? Old and In the Way Jul 2013 #61

WTF are YOU talking about? VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #65

OK, my bad.... Old and In the Way Jul 2013 #67

Okay .....you had me totally confused! VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #68

you just said that a mixed race person couldn't be racist CreekDog Jul 2013 #53

Black kids are not allowed to "stand their ground". RandySF Jul 2013 #2

A cautionary tale all around. rrneck Jul 2013 #4

I really do not enjoy the death of anyone no matter how a jury rules ... Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2013 #6

It wasn't ruled a justifiable homicide BainsBane Jul 2013 #92

kind of gejohnston Jul 2013 #94

No, not kind of BainsBane Jul 2013 #95

no gejohnston Jul 2013 #99

? Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2013 #104

"I don't agree with this, but I know many of you will enjoy the perspective." NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #7

not doubtful, you've been in this group enough to know far from doubtful CreekDog Jul 2013 #36

after watching the trial and reading gejohnston Jul 2013 #8

Despicable... petronius Jul 2013 #9

As mentioned on another thread, Vinnie From Indy Jul 2013 #10

Talk Left put it best gejohnston Jul 2013 #14

I absolutely agree. n/t DWC Jul 2013 #105

How about we just reverse the race(s) of the shooter and victim? HiDemGunOwner Jul 2013 #106

That requires me to believe GZ's side of events without reservation. bluedigger Jul 2013 #11

there are forensics and two gejohnston Jul 2013 #15

That does not help, but thanks for endlessly repeating your belief. bluedigger Jul 2013 #16

not my belief gejohnston Jul 2013 #17

It's a bad thing on all accounts...it's almost made me rethink carrying a PSD. ileus Jul 2013 #12

Sure Robb, whatever you say!! Stay classy! CokeMachine Jul 2013 #13

Just illustrates the double standard now institutionalized on DU. Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #18

Standards: so cool, DU has two! Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #23

It's got to the point that I'm not sure what standards there are anymore (if any). CokeMachine Jul 2013 #34

yes, DU has a double standard, actual liberals are appreciated more than trolls and conservatives CreekDog Jul 2013 #38

I continue to believe I am more liberal than you... Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #69

yet you post more conservatively than me and most others CreekDog Jul 2013 #70

Posting on boards is a pretty synthetic measure of bona fides. Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #71

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #33

if you don't enjoy a board where civil rights and liberalism are held higher than others you can go CreekDog Jul 2013 #41

Again, I think I am more liberal than you. Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #72

you aren't. here's why: CreekDog Jul 2013 #73

Please quit your hollier-than-thou protestations, Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #76

I didn't say I'm holier than you, just more liberal CreekDog Jul 2013 #78

Sounded like a religious "rite" to me. Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #81

What is your definition of liberalism? ntt rrneck Jul 2013 #82

still waiting. Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2013 #90

Yep. I anticipate an exercise in patience. nt rrneck Jul 2013 #91

looks like you trolled using racially insensitive references to Jim Crow on guns, and got hidden CreekDog Jul 2013 #74

There is Ample evidence of Chicago's gun Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #75

so the laws in Chicago prevent integration of blacks and whites? CreekDog Jul 2013 #77

Sorry, your dodge and straw are thin gruel. The topic Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #79

yes, please quote the portions of the law which enforce segregation as they did during Jim Crow? CreekDog Jul 2013 #80

Allow me to shed a tiny bit of light here, mate. Dialup warning. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #83

and the racist text in the law is where? CreekDog Jul 2013 #84

I'd say not pursuing or prosecuting black murders in specific areas is rather racist, isn't it? Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #85

ok, thanks for admitting that you have no proof that the law in question is "Jim Crow"-like CreekDog Jul 2013 #86

Hey, you can't see the racism in -allowing- blacks to die? No one will convince you otherwise. Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #87

hey you said "Jim Crow". prove it. you won't and now you're running away because you can't. CreekDog Jul 2013 #88

You know what? I'll prove it, if, when I'm done, you admit you were wrong. Deal? Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #89

welcome back CreekDog Jul 2013 #37

I think Zimmerman tackled or tried to hold Trayvon mzmolly Jul 2013 #19

after watching the entire trial gejohnston Jul 2013 #22

Perhaps you need a cartoon mzmolly Jul 2013 #25

go to you tube and watch the trial gejohnston Jul 2013 #29

No need. I watched from home. mzmolly Jul 2013 #30

"The Jury has spoken" DWC Jul 2013 #20

Legally correct...but not justice. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #21

In spite of the common narrative, there is no evidence that he did gejohnston Jul 2013 #24

Talk Left has been shilling for Zimmercop mzmolly Jul 2013 #26

No, I watched the trial gejohnston Jul 2013 #28

I disagree. mzmolly Jul 2013 #31

So if I decide you look suspicious, follow you, BainsBane Jul 2013 #93

no gejohnston Jul 2013 #96

Trayvon saw Z following him in the car BainsBane Jul 2013 #97

not quite gejohnston Jul 2013 #98

sure...if you take the murderer's word for what happened noiretextatique Jul 2013 #27

What evidence other than the murderer's word is there the Martin started anything? doc03 Jul 2013 #32

It's a not a serious question. The OP hasn't replied. This thread is just a provocation, IMO. NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #100

FYI Sissyk Jul 2013 #101

Thank you for that. Incredible. NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #103

How about if "Z" was black? HiDemGunOwner Jul 2013 #107

Zimmerman is responsible for the death. And I think Murder2 was way overreaching. sir pball Jul 2013 #102