Gun Control & RKBA

AnotherMcIntosh

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51. Actually, some of those who are frustrated with the private ownership of guns oppose women owning

Wed Jul 10, 2013, 01:43 PM

Jul 2013

firearms in their homes for self-defense.

A rape victim who wants to own a firearm for self-defense in their own home, to even deter other criminal activities or have some peace of mind, is in their minds no different from any other "gun nuts".

They don't want you or any other women to have a choice as to whether to own a firearm or not. They can't succeed because their over-the-top proposals are irrational. But they will continue with their "gun nut" attacks.

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I went through the background check process last night. It took over an hour. [View all] geckosfeet Jul 2013 OP

A whole hour to purchase a lethal weapon BainsBane Jul 2013 #1

Zooom. You are right on schedule Alice. I am not advocating letting criminals have easy access. geckosfeet Jul 2013 #3

I think the point is that both are legal Just Saying Jul 2013 #32

What makes you think that I am not. geckosfeet Jul 2013 #44

Oh I see. Just Saying Jul 2013 #45

That's complete BS BainsBane Jul 2013 #72

You should be pro-choice, not anti-choice ExCop-LawStudent Jul 2013 #77

Try rereading my post BainsBane Jul 2013 #78

Pro-choice is not limited to one subject ExCop-LawStudent Jul 2013 #80

Where in my post does it say I oppose your choice to have a gun? BainsBane Jul 2013 #85

Take a look at your journal and posts ExCop-LawStudent Jul 2013 #87

Oh, you mean the right to murder an unarmed black teenager? BainsBane Jul 2013 #89

I fully support your right to ridicule those that express unreasonable fear. friendly_iconoclast Jul 2013 #91

No, I mean the right to defend oneself ExCop-LawStudent Jul 2013 #94

Complete bullshit BainsBane Jul 2013 #96

what NRA lie on Mexico? gejohnston Jul 2013 #97

The one I systematically went through with you and Green Storm Cloud BainsBane Jul 2013 #100

in other words, gejohnston Jul 2013 #103

24% is a very large statistical sampling by any measure BainsBane Jul 2013 #105

I actually did gejohnston Jul 2013 #107

That's not an explanation BainsBane Jul 2013 #112

I listed those one specifically because gejohnston Jul 2013 #115

It's not a question of distorting, deliberately skewing, or falsifying - I don't see where petronius Jul 2013 #119

Ahem- the Mexican government only submitted 24% of seized guns for tracing. friendly_iconoclast Jul 2013 #110

Show us the rates of homicide and gun ownership in those countries, then. friendly_iconoclast Jul 2013 #98

Wow BainsBane Jul 2013 #101

I expect *anyone* who makes a claim to be able to back it up- even you. friendly_iconoclast Jul 2013 #108

If you won't provide links, what you offer is opinion, not an argument friendly_iconoclast Jul 2013 #109

I provided and cites ExCop-LawStudent Jul 2013 #120

Just for you in your own words CokeMachine Jul 2013 #99

Yet here you are, posting away under no coercion to do so... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2013 #111

Actually, none of those are from the NRA ExCop-LawStudent Jul 2013 #117

True, but the NRA makes a convenient boogeyman... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2013 #118

I tend to agree with you. Just Saying Jul 2013 #79

Whats complete BS is your characterizations. beevul Jul 2013 #81

Yes, it truly is a horror that I exercise my right to free speech BainsBane Jul 2013 #86

I"m sorry, was someone attacking your rights? beevul Jul 2013 #92

+1000 -- CokeMachine Jul 2013 #93

Actually, some of those who are frustrated with the private ownership of guns oppose women owning AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #51

I agree, way too long to buy a gun ExCop-LawStudent Jul 2013 #7

In Nevada, premium Jul 2013 #14

With a Texas CHL it's even faster. oneshooter Jul 2013 #95

I'd argue you'd have to account for all the time it takes waiting for that CHL to arrive anomiep Jul 2013 #121

You got a few items wrong. oneshooter Jul 2013 #122

Not really anomiep Jul 2013 #123

Hmmm. Maybe New Mexico. Possibly Arizona. But the way things are right now geckosfeet Jul 2013 #46

That's probably longer than what it takes to buy a gun in a Chicago neighborhood -- from one AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #52

but Texas has a far higher crime rate CreekDog Jul 2013 #65

Except that Texas doesn't have a higher crime rate ExCop-LawStudent Jul 2013 #66

Hey, Wyoming with its 60-70 percent gun ownership rate gejohnston Jul 2013 #67

I considered adding DC ExCop-LawStudent Jul 2013 #68

Not to mention #49 Vermont, with it's damn near non-existent state gun laws. friendly_iconoclast Jul 2013 #90

Quit it!! CokeMachine Jul 2013 #69

Exactly... the last two times I purchased a car (using cash--no loans) it took more than 3 hours hlthe2b Jul 2013 #11

Wow, premium Jul 2013 #13

She missed the 10¢ cigar, though. Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #15

LOL. nt. premium Jul 2013 #16

So then. since this delay is okay... krispos42 Jul 2013 #33

I could go to the convenience store and buy a "lethal weapon" in about 30 seconds. Common Sense Party Jul 2013 #35

What a load of crap ExCop-LawStudent Jul 2013 #76

One hour isnt bad at all. darkangel218 Jul 2013 #2

Where is here? I know in California there is a ten day waiting period. geckosfeet Jul 2013 #4

FL. but i think it varries by county as well, and if one has ccw or not darkangel218 Jul 2013 #40

three business days gejohnston Jul 2013 #71

The cooling off period is a fallicy. ExCop-LawStudent Jul 2013 #70

Interesting. Sources? Is that gun crime or overall crime rate? geckosfeet Jul 2013 #73

Source ExCop-LawStudent Jul 2013 #74

Although I am familiar witht the cited source, links are helpful and courteous. geckosfeet Jul 2013 #75

I haven't bought one since the ban drums have been pounded ileus Jul 2013 #5

Pre-ban drums the time was about the same here. geckosfeet Jul 2013 #6

the fact that you showed an intent and a desire to purchase a weapon bowens43 Jul 2013 #8

Why, is it not legal? Duckhunter935 Jul 2013 #10

Saw that movie discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #17

"That don't make no sense" geckosfeet Jul 2013 #20

Unacceptable discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #26

I have the number of a good therapist. She is really good with control issues. geckosfeet Jul 2013 #29

On a related note discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #41

Oh yeah. The clock starts when they answer the phone. geckosfeet Jul 2013 #42

That time frame was about my experience also for a shotgun. Revolver was several days. nt bike man Jul 2013 #9

Generally about 15 minutes or so Lurks Often Jul 2013 #12

Takes about 20 min here in CA but you still have a 10 day wait to pick up the firearm tularetom Jul 2013 #18

1911? geckosfeet Jul 2013 #27

No, a single action army 1873 revolver tularetom Jul 2013 #59

Oh my. That a beauty. Caliber? Ammo type? geckosfeet Jul 2013 #60

This particular gun is .45 Long Colt tularetom Jul 2013 #62

As long as you load your own, or get someone to load to your spec geckosfeet Jul 2013 #63

About 15 to 20 minutes in Illinois DonP Jul 2013 #19

There was a sign in the shop i bought at that said geckosfeet Jul 2013 #21

They have the same signs up here too along with the ubiquitous "Don't Lie for the other Guy" posters DonP Jul 2013 #49

Wow. What a scam... Crooks are nothing if not inventive geckosfeet Jul 2013 #50

It has been Jenoch Jul 2013 #22

I provided a link to a pdf of the form. Question 9 asks for some geckosfeet Jul 2013 #23

I looked at the form. Jenoch Jul 2013 #24

Yes. Exactly. The clerk said to just leave it blank. geckosfeet Jul 2013 #25

The instructions for question #9 CokeMachine Jul 2013 #37

Ahhhh. thanks. geckosfeet Jul 2013 #47

Question #9 SoutherDem Jul 2013 #55

Thanks. fot the explanation. My first application failed because I used an incorrect number. geckosfeet Jul 2013 #56

Found this over on AR15.com MicaelS Jul 2013 #28

I only get denied when I make mistake on the form. geckosfeet Jul 2013 #34

Doesn't seem unreasonable. Just Saying Jul 2013 #30

Every purchase of a new gun from an ffl. Private sales just need the state transfer form. geckosfeet Jul 2013 #38

Frankly alot of private sales use an FFL dealer wercal Jul 2013 #104

Good thoughts. Help support your local ffl as well. Here we just need to geckosfeet Jul 2013 #114

Presently in KS I am required to do nothing wercal Jul 2013 #116

Reasonable. Straw Man Jul 2013 #64

I would guess I never waited more that 5 minutes at the most. When I applied for my concealed doc03 Jul 2013 #31

State? I waited about six weeks for my license. I hear it's worse now, depending on the town. geckosfeet Jul 2013 #53

Ohio, I hear it takes about a week for the doc03 Jul 2013 #61

I can't remember how long it took in Utah, but I'd guess it was less than 20 minutes. nt Common Sense Party Jul 2013 #36

Last pistol I bought it took a couple of days. jeepnstein Jul 2013 #39

Good point. If you know the 4473 you can buzz thru it. I don't know the form that well geckosfeet Jul 2013 #48

I wonder if the 'Permit to Purchase' system we have in Minnesota would speed things up? Jenoch Jul 2013 #43

In Alabama it is about the same SoutherDem Jul 2013 #54

Once I fill out the 4473 it normally takes about 20 minutes rl6214 Jul 2013 #57

Me too. It still takes a while here. We do a state transfer and the federal. geckosfeet Jul 2013 #58

Takes me about five minutes ..... oldhippie Jul 2013 #82

Go ahead. Rub it in some more. geckosfeet Jul 2013 #83

Got a bunch down here already ..... oldhippie Jul 2013 #84

Ha ha. Good one. Maybe I'll join you down there someday. geckosfeet Jul 2013 #88

I've bought two in Kansas this year wercal Jul 2013 #102

this same OP was posted a couple months ago sigmasix Jul 2013 #106

Please provide a link to the op you are citing. geckosfeet Jul 2013 #113