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In reply to the discussion: Probably the best 2nd Amendment speech ever. [View all]jimmy the one
(2,708 posts)48. pot kettle weiss
You see, Weiss continued, if it {NY guncontrol Safe Act} was really so courageous a bill, and it took so much courage to pass it, then why was it done in the middle of the night when no one could see it or read it? Thats not courage. Thats a mafia style sit-down to divvy up whats good for the bosses.
yet I bet weiss wouldn't say boo to this: .. for ordinary citizens to obtain permits to carry concealed weapons.. wanted Michigan to join the growing number of states where carrying a concealed gun is the right -- sneaked the legislation through in a lame duck session (and managed to immunize it from potential referendum)
repeat Weiss: .. was really so courageous a bill, and it took so much courage to pass it, then why was it done in the middle of the night when no one could see it or read it? Thats not courage. Thats a mafia style sit-down to divvy up whats good for the bosses
I think one difference is that the NY Safe Act had the votes to pass it regardless of a 3 day wait period, whereas the michigan ccw bill was more, debateable, & actually went against the ubiquitous yet ubiquitously tread upon 'will of the people'.
Courage,{weiss} added, is taking the right and true course of action, not the politically expedient one and anyone who is proud of this law must also be proud of .. imprisoning Japanese citizens in World War II, since all these actions were spurred on by emotional fear and rammed through in the name of public safety.
Japanese citizens were not really 'imprisoned' but rather relocated to an equivalent of past 'reservations' for native americans. Post war, many jap-ams stayed on in their internment camps since they'd grown accustomed to them & actually enjoyed them (or had no better places to go), so weiss should not label them 'prisons'.
Japanese Americans then were surely safer in those internment camps than not, & surely hundreds of Japanese American lives were 'saved' thereby. War hysteria & all.
yet I bet weiss wouldn't say boo to this: .. for ordinary citizens to obtain permits to carry concealed weapons.. wanted Michigan to join the growing number of states where carrying a concealed gun is the right -- sneaked the legislation through in a lame duck session (and managed to immunize it from potential referendum)
repeat Weiss: .. was really so courageous a bill, and it took so much courage to pass it, then why was it done in the middle of the night when no one could see it or read it? Thats not courage. Thats a mafia style sit-down to divvy up whats good for the bosses
I think one difference is that the NY Safe Act had the votes to pass it regardless of a 3 day wait period, whereas the michigan ccw bill was more, debateable, & actually went against the ubiquitous yet ubiquitously tread upon 'will of the people'.
Courage,{weiss} added, is taking the right and true course of action, not the politically expedient one and anyone who is proud of this law must also be proud of .. imprisoning Japanese citizens in World War II, since all these actions were spurred on by emotional fear and rammed through in the name of public safety.
Japanese citizens were not really 'imprisoned' but rather relocated to an equivalent of past 'reservations' for native americans. Post war, many jap-ams stayed on in their internment camps since they'd grown accustomed to them & actually enjoyed them (or had no better places to go), so weiss should not label them 'prisons'.
Japanese Americans then were surely safer in those internment camps than not, & surely hundreds of Japanese American lives were 'saved' thereby. War hysteria & all.
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Allow me to provide some context in the form of a more complete presentation by him:
NYC_SKP
Jul 2013
#2
Your argument could be applied to the other nine amendments, it's not 1776 any more.
NYC_SKP
Jul 2013
#7
As a Vietnam Era vet and son of a combat wounded WWw2 Vet I would tell Aaron he is a delusional
Vietnameravet
Jul 2013
#59
"No war in your life time was fought for your rights. It's fought for to grow the wealth of the 1%."
KansDem
Jul 2013
#6
This isn't about you (and you are not the only one who fought in Viet Nam). He said HE fought for
AnotherMcIntosh
Jul 2013
#23
The truth of the matter is that his inconvenience outweighs dead children.
Bonhomme Richard
Jul 2013
#20
Blithely ignoring that gun control works in England, Australia, Japan, etc. ... eom
Kolesar
Jul 2013
#54
Although you did not ask me, I think that the governmental policy of shipping jobs to foreign
AnotherMcIntosh
Jul 2013
#28
DU is big on racism accusations, it's like a drug to juice up your "liberalism,"
Eleanors38
Jul 2013
#42
Sergeant Voice Crackle doesn't know that prosecutors and law enforcement want regulations on guns
Kolesar
Jul 2013
#52
Obivously I was using the figurative sense. Your literal sense post indicates you're the who's not.
MotherPetrie
Jul 2013
#81
good stuff, well laid out arguments supported by facts, and to the point. n/t
hansberrym
Jul 2013
#109