Gun Control & RKBA

jpak

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116. Gun nutz claim all rifles are "assault rifles" because they were derived from military arms

Reply to petronius (Reply #19)

Tue Jul 2, 2013, 11:26 AM

Jul 2013

now apparently, they are not.

Cognitive dissonance.

yup

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Make Gun Companies Pay Blood Money [View all] jpak Jun 2013 OP

Only if those that *don't* cause death or injury get a tax rebate. friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #1

When will you start taxing Ford, Honda, Toyota, etc. for car crashes? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #2

When Ford experiences a sales surge after every crash. Robb Jun 2013 #23

can't lay that on the manufacturers gejohnston Jun 2013 #24

And this has what to do with Jpak's thread? nt. premium Jun 2013 #25

Blood money. It's not complicated. Robb Jun 2013 #27

And once again, premium Jun 2013 #28

The proposed tax is the regulation. Robb Jun 2013 #29

Ok, premium Jun 2013 #30

Looks like he went back to the group that always agrees with him! CokeMachine Jun 2013 #31

Because they profit most when it's used illegally. Robb Jun 2013 #36

the drug trade. gejohnston Jun 2013 #37

And just how is that their fault? premium Jun 2013 #38

You think manufacturers can do nothing? Robb Jun 2013 #39

Once again, why is the manufacturer responsible for the unsafe premium Jun 2013 #40

Because the unsafe, illegal use of their legal product generates their best sales. Robb Jun 2013 #41

Their business model has come to depend upon that unsafe, illegal use of their legal product. premium Jun 2013 #42

Bullcrap? You've noted yourself the reactionary nature of gun buyers and gun buying. Robb Jun 2013 #44

Yeah, and? premium Jun 2013 #48

Well, yeah. The manufacturers do their best to fan those flames. Robb Jun 2013 #49

They do huh. premium Jun 2013 #51

You want to tax Congress? Robb Jun 2013 #52

I'm saying that as a tongue in cheek comment. premium Jun 2013 #53

Instead of trying to control unsafe and illegal use, you want to 'punish the sinners'... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #45

You are skipping right over the critical question of responsibility: in every petronius Jun 2013 #54

Because they do everything to make sure criminals retain access to guns BainsBane Jun 2013 #90

Don't you get tired of being wrong 99% of the time about firearms? nt. premium Jun 2013 #91

Easy. Cars are designed and marketed as a mode of transportation. Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #55

Many guns are designed Jenoch Jun 2013 #56

Possibly. Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #58

I know it was hard for you to Jenoch Jun 2013 #64

Wasn't hard at all. Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #66

You said guns are designed to kill. Jenoch Jun 2013 #69

OK, but let's be honest about this. Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #70

I think that's exactly backward, and here's why: petronius Jun 2013 #71

I don't know how you see it backwards. Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #72

AR-15s and the like are not hunting rifles gejohnston Jun 2013 #75

It's about the killing (or harming) of humans because that's the context petronius Jun 2013 #78

Gotta love the way you keep redifining to suit your argument. Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #97

I will boil it down: 99% (sorry) of firearms are not manufactured with petronius Jun 2013 #107

There you go again, redefining. Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #108

"Manufacturers don't determine the intent of the end user." Yep, that's pretty much petronius Jun 2013 #109

I'm not dragging hunting in at all. It is irrelevant to the discussion. Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #111

while most are not some are built specifically for hunting gejohnston Jun 2013 #112

Very true. Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #115

Tobacco causes its harm when used for its proper, legal, and pretty-much the only petronius Jun 2013 #113

"self-defense (which is not actually about killing at all)" rdharma Jun 2013 #76

so you are saying gejohnston Jun 2013 #77

Is pepper spray a firearm? rdharma Jun 2013 #79

of course not gejohnston Jun 2013 #81

You tell us. You seem to be in the know. CokeMachine Jun 2013 #82

No however it is restricted in some states. oneshooter Jun 2013 #110

Some people find shedevil69taz Jun 2013 #104

How often have Jenoch Jun 2013 #73

Errr merrr gerrd! rdharma Jun 2013 #80

Is that a typical Jenoch Jun 2013 #84

Maybe you should travel more Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #99

I'd like to travel more. Jenoch Jun 2013 #100

I'd like to go back to Vietnam premium Jun 2013 #101

I asked my cousin Jenoch Jun 2013 #102

I can sympathize with him. premium Jun 2013 #103

That's very good. I hope you learned something. Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #105

I'm not one of the typical Americans Jenoch Jun 2013 #106

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #85

But yet, premium Jun 2013 #57

No, it's about when used as intended. Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #59

So you think that firearms manufacturers should premium Jun 2013 #60

Yes, of course. Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #61

Well, we're going to have to disagree on this. nt. premium Jun 2013 #62

No shit. LOL Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #63

Too damn hot today, premium Jun 2013 #65

Yet automobiles manage to kill/injure a large percent of the population oneshooter Jun 2013 #67

Let's do the numbers Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #68

My point is that autos, oneshooter Jun 2013 #92

Now that's really convoluted. Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #93

Isn't that the same argument that jpak is making? oneshooter Jun 2013 #98

I think a better analogy is Diageo, Beam, Pernod Ricard, etc sir pball Jul 2013 #119

Ummm, the firearms manufacturers aren't causing the harm. premium Jun 2013 #3

ummm....their products are designed and manufactured to kill jpak Jun 2013 #9

No, their product is designed to propel an object out of a barrel, premium Jun 2013 #10

Air Soft guns do the same thing - but they are not designed to kill, unlike extender devices. jpak Jun 2013 #11

So if your idea is so good, premium Jun 2013 #12

It took decades to make gay marriage the law of the land jpak Jun 2013 #14

God, Gays and Guns don't go around here no more... premium Jun 2013 #15

Hah! You'll never hear mention of *that*! friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #46

What are "extender devices"? Straw Man Jun 2013 #114

A significant difference between guns and other items treated this way, such as petronius Jun 2013 #4

^^ This ^^ nt CokeMachine Jun 2013 #5

What does "parabellum" mean? jpak Jun 2013 #13

It's not a question of euphemisms, nor does it matter what market a specific petronius Jun 2013 #19

Gun nutz claim all rifles are "assault rifles" because they were derived from military arms jpak Jul 2013 #116

Substantiate, please. Straw Man Jul 2013 #117

Your post is what we call "The Gungeon Dodge" jpak Jul 2013 #120

Seems to me that you are the one that made the claim. oneshooter Jul 2013 #121

I beg your pardon? Straw Man Jul 2013 #122

Cognitive Dissonance Reigns SUPREME in the Gungeon jpak Jul 2013 #123

Do you have a point? Straw Man Jul 2013 #125

I've never seen that claim before reading your post. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #124

WTF does "extender devices" mean? rl6214 Jun 2013 #21

Oh, I think we all know what that means, premium Jun 2013 #22

Maybe he is insecure with his ........ nt CokeMachine Jun 2013 #32

Gun control advocacy is the last refuge of Freudian theory. friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #47

That's all they have. CokeMachine Jun 2013 #50

"Ah, you just want to harden your salami" -- French Connection. Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #26

You get right on that - it's good to have a hobby DonP Jun 2013 #6

Or SYG. nt. premium Jun 2013 #7

people misuse firearms...the product isn't defective. ileus Jun 2013 #8

stop using euphemisms about guns jimmy the one Jun 2013 #16

I can only speak for my firearms. ileus Jun 2013 #18

what about hard alcohol producers? bossy22 Jun 2013 #17

OK -- Coors and hard alcohol? CokeMachine Jun 2013 #33

Rocky Mountain piss water. gejohnston Jun 2013 #35

I drink for quantity not quality!! CokeMachine Jun 2013 #43

Sure you do! That's why you've got what you've got! nt rdharma Jun 2013 #83

Oh it's you again -- the master baiter. CokeMachine Jun 2013 #86

Doesn't take much to set you off, does it? BainsBane Jun 2013 #88

Only after you make car companies start paying as well. rl6214 Jun 2013 #20

Give him a break -- It's JPAK after all!! CokeMachine Jun 2013 #34

Where have you been for the past 100 years? BainsBane Jun 2013 #89

True, but that was for defective autos premium Jun 2013 #94

I remember when they tried to sue gunmakers in the nineties. dookers Jun 2013 #74

They are now exempt from lawsuit BainsBane Jun 2013 #87

Can't you get anything right? premium Jun 2013 #95

Ummmm, no it didn't premium Jun 2013 #96

The authors of the Op-Ed should have called for what they really want, to ban all guns. SoutherDem Jul 2013 #118

We should thank these companies for providing affordable life saving devices. ileus Jul 2013 #126

I agree gopiscrap Aug 2013 #127