Gun Control & RKBA

samsingh

(17,739 posts)

100. even when i objectively read the pro-gun comments - i don't see any logic

Thu Mar 28, 2013, 07:00 PM

Mar 2013

or sympathy. in fact, there's a lot snark and name calling - and then they use the typical gop talking points like 'liberals are anti-us - when did ever say anything negative about liberals'

I think we're just raising our number of posts and wasting time. there is no good faith discussion going on here. wtf - how can anyone possibly say 'guns don't kill people, people kill people' when the bullet discharged from the gun is what's killing the person. its certainly accurate to say 'people use guns to kill people'.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

159 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

The problem is people not guns. [View all] guardian Mar 2013 OP

Horseshit! pscot Mar 2013 #1

There's that "civil society." Common Sense Party Mar 2013 #2

Posts are not people muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #4

It was callous to the original poster. Common Sense Party Mar 2013 #8

That poster frequently posts RW BS on DU, and is used to it being pointed out muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #9

You on the anti side of the gun argument, call anything remotely resembling a rebuttal RW BS. beevul Mar 2013 #15

Typical of a firearm reality denier with a control complex Lurks Often Mar 2013 #21

FRDCC: firearm reality denier with a control complex guardian Mar 2013 #25

it's worse than horsesheet samsingh Mar 2013 #24

Another great rebuttal ..... oldhippie Mar 2013 #26

Trying to rebut the NRA talking points pscot Mar 2013 #40

... is pretty difficult when you don't even try. oldhippie Mar 2013 #50

How much intellect is required to reurgitate NRA talking points pscot Mar 2013 #55

There is no federal law against research Jenoch Mar 2013 #63

And by biased we mean anything the NRA might find troublesome? pscot Mar 2013 #72

as in actual science gejohnston Mar 2013 #75

I have not seen the written Jenoch Mar 2013 #81

I've asked more than one person with no response, so let me ask you shadowrider Mar 2013 #92

More reactionary knee-jerk, more denial of reality, more ill-liberal attitude. Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #139

to be antigun requires intellect. samsingh Mar 2013 #70

Really? sylvi Mar 2013 #74

30,000 gun deaths per year. How's that for an uncomfortable fact? pscot Mar 2013 #78

Yeah. It's a fact. sylvi Mar 2013 #87

It's what passes for intellect ..... oldhippie Mar 2013 #91

how do you reason with someone who doesn't have an emotional response to 30,000 deaths? samsingh Mar 2013 #97

There's a difference in not having an emotional response sylvi Mar 2013 #101

i don't know that you're reading. i see stupid nra talking points coming against anyone in favor of samsingh Mar 2013 #96

But you call everything that is pro-gun an NRA talking point. GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #131

actually 'no' samsingh Apr 2013 #149

why don't they show it? gejohnston Mar 2013 #77

what world do you live in? samsingh Mar 2013 #98

the real one gejohnston Mar 2013 #102

the one in which lunatics kill many innocent people with guns? samsingh Apr 2013 #151

In very modest amounts, it would seem. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2013 #95

guns are used to kill people samsingh Mar 2013 #99

That makes no sense. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2013 #107

which controls do you support? samsingh Apr 2013 #150

Several: Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #152

those are a good place to start. samsingh Apr 2013 #153

Yup. If you find it hard to dispute a point, just label it as an NRA talking point ... spin Mar 2013 #85

We cannot debate this gun issue because we have upaloopa Mar 2013 #106

First, it is a common misconception that all gun owners "fear" bad guys. ... spin Mar 2013 #125

even when i objectively read the pro-gun comments - i don't see any logic samsingh Mar 2013 #100

You speak of "sympathy." Since I have yet to see any from you, please now express it. Thanks. Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #140

why don't you read my posts. i always express sympathy for those who lost their lives samsingh Apr 2013 #148

Forgive me if I missed those posts. I am so used to seeing hateful attacks on 2A supporters... Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #156

thank you. samsingh Apr 2013 #158

Calling something a talking point is NOT a rebuttal. N/T GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #130

Is ALL that does not comport with your gun outlook an NRAtalkingPoint, marcus registrada? Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #138

Here are some of the NRA talking points muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #145

It must be easy for you: Label things you don't understand or do Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #146

"anything but the people who want to buy" markeybrown Mar 2013 #147

Here's our Community Standard right here .... oldhippie Mar 2013 #5

The thing is, some OPs are such horseshit that they don't need or deserve detailed rebuttal muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #7

I'll remember that. nt oldhippie Mar 2013 #10

You do that - just like you approved of guardian calling someone's post muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #11

Listen! oldhippie Mar 2013 #27

What other group? muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #29

What?!? You mean we're not marching in lockstep under the (very small) tent? Lizzie Poppet Mar 2013 #46

There's an incredible irony in pro-gunners complaining about 'trolling' muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #57

I have to disagree about the possibility of useful replies to the OP. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2013 #69

Thanks for linking guardian Mar 2013 #28

If guns are a problem now, why weren't they a problem in 1955? GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #13

Some reasons, perhaps: AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #34

So alert. pscot Mar 2013 #41

Thanks for posting pscot Mar 2013 #42

Nice substantive refutation there. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2013 #43

your basic problem is that you are 100% wrong because the OP happens to be 100% correct bubbayugga Mar 2013 #52

So you are for banning certain dog breeds then... ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #76

The logic of your response escapes me pscot Mar 2013 #83

Unless you have a proposal for tledford Mar 2013 #3

Hmmm....Why not just focus on both? jmg257 Mar 2013 #6

Take the car away from the drunk and nobody will be killed...... rdharma Mar 2013 #12

Your analogy fails. GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #14

My analogy is spot on! rdharma Mar 2013 #16

Then why do you push for gun restrictions on law-abiding people? N/T GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #17

I'm not pushing for sensible regulations to "punish" the "law abiding"..... rdharma Mar 2013 #20

Why do you put "punish" in quotes when the person you're replying to didn't say that? Lizzie Poppet Mar 2013 #108

Punish? rdharma Mar 2013 #113

Never mind. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2013 #115

Never mind? OK....... nt rdharma Mar 2013 #118

Would that include Dick Cheney? AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #35

Bullshit! Who are these "gun-grabbers" who want to take guns away from everybody? Starboard Tack Mar 2013 #33

Who says it has to be a politician? GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #44

Feinstein wants to remove certain guns, not all. Starboard Tack Mar 2013 #61

I actually don't believe that gejohnston Mar 2013 #64

I totally support a ban on handguns in the city. Starboard Tack Mar 2013 #121

That will be about as effective as guardian Mar 2013 #129

I totally don't support it gejohnston Mar 2013 #132

Horseshit! oldhippie Mar 2013 #66

Maybe you'd like to back that up with a link Starboard Tack Mar 2013 #119

Hold your breath ....... oldhippie Mar 2013 #136

It is horseshit...she was talking about assault weapons, and the manufacturers jmg257 Mar 2013 #126

Dianne Feinstein mwrguy Mar 2013 #65

I highly doubt it. premium Mar 2013 #67

An outright ban on what? All guns? Starboard Tack Mar 2013 #123

See post #125, this 'ban them all' bullshit has been shot down numerous jmg257 Mar 2013 #127

Firearms = easy targets ileus Mar 2013 #18

Banning guns is easy. Fixing crazy is hard. bubbayugga Mar 2013 #53

Not really... rrneck Mar 2013 #19

"........the gun is certainly an important factor in violence rdharma Mar 2013 #22

No, it doesn't sum it up. rrneck Mar 2013 #23

"...consumed like cornflakes rather than actually thinking for yourself. " sylvi Mar 2013 #84

"get back to me" rdharma Mar 2013 #105

Then why are you here? oldhippie Mar 2013 #110

"changing hearts and minds?" rdharma Mar 2013 #112

The NRA is a detestable organization. rrneck Mar 2013 #135

spoken like a true prohibitionist: Not a speck of irony. Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #141

no, the guns are the problem bowens43 Mar 2013 #30

I'm pretty sure that people were involved in every single act as well kudzu22 Mar 2013 #31

Bingo! Starboard Tack Mar 2013 #37

duh guardian Mar 2013 #36

+1 nt tblue Apr 2013 #157

Canada has the same graphic violence through TV, movies, and video games. Life Long Dem Mar 2013 #32

they didn't when their gun laws gejohnston Mar 2013 #39

Canada isn't America any more than an apple is an orange. bubbayugga Mar 2013 #54

But America could strive to be like Canada muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #56

Why? gejohnston Mar 2013 #60

offering up unworkable and ineffectual solutions isn't any better. bubbayugga Mar 2013 #68

Case in point guardian Mar 2013 #38

In the 50's and 60's that kid pscot Mar 2013 #45

Wrong again. guardian Mar 2013 #47

Weak. Very weak pscot Mar 2013 #58

Thanks for this post thucythucy Mar 2013 #62

I would have to see data from the source gejohnston Mar 2013 #73

Horseshit! oldhippie Mar 2013 #48

Your scoutmaster lent his .45 pscot Mar 2013 #71

Yes ...... oldhippie Mar 2013 #80

The guns were different pscot Mar 2013 #88

other than caliber? gejohnston Mar 2013 #89

No, not really ..... oldhippie Mar 2013 #93

Then and now. Straw Man Mar 2013 #134

That's very interesting ..... oldhippie Mar 2013 #137

Pscot, you posted semi-autos! Then & now! Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #143

I learned to shoot a .32 revolver at 9. No big deal. Some people don't live in fear. Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #142

Again you are focusing on the gun and not the deed or the person guardian Mar 2013 #49

Yeah, right. Happens all the time. Not. pscot Mar 2013 #59

Then why have guns at all? jeff47 Mar 2013 #86

Or maybe you're being willfully obtuse sylvi Mar 2013 #90

The problem is always people BeyondGeography Mar 2013 #51

Sheesh... gcomeau Mar 2013 #79

Guns don't kill people, gun owners kill people. Regulate the gun owners. blm Mar 2013 #82

Better regulation coupled with better enforcement might be the ticket. ... spin Mar 2013 #94

The problem is People With Guns. demosincebirth Mar 2013 #103

You are really expecting the Easter Bunny upaloopa Mar 2013 #104

They key, however, is to focus on the RIGHT guns. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2013 #109

You can't say there are bad guys and good guys. The killers recently bought guns legally and were upaloopa Mar 2013 #111

You bet I can. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2013 #114

I agree with that. I think we need to leave the extreme positions to play with themselves and work upaloopa Mar 2013 #116

Agreed. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2013 #117

How can we do that on this board? We have fought now for three months and are getting nowhere. upaloopa Mar 2013 #120

It's worth a try. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2013 #122

I have a .22 single action Ruger. I was sold a gun lock with the gun. I think it was a law that upaloopa Mar 2013 #124

That's an excellent example. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2013 #128

I love the Single Six gejohnston Mar 2013 #133

The Easter Bunny brought him a pizza instead Electric Monk Apr 2013 #155

No No....guns kill people, everyone knows that. ileus Mar 2013 #144

Actually - I think it's 'people with guns kill people'. jmg257 Apr 2013 #154

These reasons you listed: Blue_Tires Apr 2013 #159