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Francis Marion

(250 posts)
38. Background check parameters have to be compatible with rights and freedom.
Sat Feb 16, 2013, 06:31 PM
Feb 2013

If a background check:
Allows a gun into the hands of taxpayers who votes-
Restricts ownership to some solely as a result of due process of law-
Comprises the sole and voluntarily complied-with extent of gun control-

Then such a structure could be a good thing. Note the aspect of voluntary compliance by The People.

And if such a law was written to state that the check process shall be in no way construed to make 'The Right of The People to keep and bear arms' into a privilege,, if background checks comprise a process which The American People have willingly and voluntarily agreed to abide by, we could have something really helpful. Such a policy would deserve, and get, moral force and popular support.

But gun control proponents, we suspect, won't leave it there. They'll go next onto bans, prohibitions, punitive taxation. And no system we can devise will be free of defect, on any side of this argument.

The corrosive danger of gun control must be considered, however. Once the Right of The People is treated as a privilege, once we allow institutional gatekeepers to say who may and who may not- for any or for no reason- own a gun, then a foundational aspect of Our Freedom rests on the chopping block, with (fill-in-the-blank-politician) standing by sharpening a meat cleaver.

The code- the Bill of Rights- just does not allow for such treatment. The Bill of Rights says 'hands off,' to the institutions, no debate or qualification. They just have no charter to harm the rights of the American People, rights they swore an oath to protect.

So if the American people decide that The Institutions may limit their gun rights any way Institutions choose, the right isn't a right any longer. It's been changed into a privilege. This is why gun owners are very jealous and suspicious of gun control proponents. They mistrust gun control's degrading, diminishing effect upon our Rights.

The laboratory is Chicago [View all] Francis Marion Feb 2013 OP
Yep. Every right winger I know says EXACTLY the same thing. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #1
Who cares what they think. Francis Marion Feb 2013 #2
I'm tired of it. Chicago is a bad example. It used to be Wash DC. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #8
Policies have consequences. Francis Marion Feb 2013 #11
Yeah, I figured as much. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #14
Look south of the Border- Francis Marion Feb 2013 #17
One non-answer after another. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #18
Ciao. Reload and stop by again. Francis Marion Feb 2013 #22
They won't comply with gun bans. rdharma Feb 2013 #26
Let's break that down: Francis Marion Feb 2013 #29
than to take away their cars. rdharma Feb 2013 #36
Recent news article Francis Marion Feb 2013 #40
we see the true end state of gun control proponents- bans and prohibition rdharma Feb 2013 #41
false choice gejohnston Feb 2013 #43
because it has more to do with culture than wanting crime control. rdharma Feb 2013 #44
peer reviewed science by a respected criminologist vs a gejohnston Feb 2013 #45
Peer reviewed science? rdharma Feb 2013 #46
you must be confusing David Hemenway and Joyce Foundation gejohnston Feb 2013 #48
he isn't a big fan of the NRA. rdharma Feb 2013 #49
happens to the best of us gejohnston Feb 2013 #51
Have you read any of his books? rdharma Feb 2013 #52
ironic isn't it? gejohnston Feb 2013 #54
rocker/poacher that runs the NRA does the cause more harm than good rdharma Feb 2013 #61
Frances Marion you asked "why register, now". JimDandy Feb 2013 #53
"Why register now thucythucy Feb 2013 #57
is there a car prohibition lobby? gejohnston Feb 2013 #58
Stoking fears of imminent confiscation thucythucy Feb 2013 #62
I never said there would be a confiscation gejohnston Feb 2013 #64
Well, my comment was in response thucythucy Feb 2013 #66
"assassinate home schoolers?" You must listen to/watch a lot of RW shit... Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #72
Just enough to know thucythucy Feb 2013 #82
it isn't the "knuckledragging rednecks" gejohnston Feb 2013 #15
"knuckledragging rednecks"........ rdharma Feb 2013 #47
DC changed its gun policies. full stop. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2013 #50
Yeah because Chicago is located in a metaphysical void... Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #3
Chicago policies produce 500 funerals per year. Francis Marion Feb 2013 #4
Good luck with what you're trying to sell. Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #6
Is the data set wrong? Francis Marion Feb 2013 #10
The data is apt, I guess (Haven't checked myself). What's wrong is your methodology. Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #13
So the data is good. Francis Marion Feb 2013 #19
Address the point I made.... Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #20
So gun control is not a health hazard? Francis Marion Feb 2013 #21
there are national gun regulations that gejohnston Feb 2013 #12
Which is my point. Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #16
have to understand current federal and IL law gejohnston Feb 2013 #25
How far is Gary, IN from Chicago? rdharma Feb 2013 #31
actually there is in IL gejohnston Feb 2013 #37
Are they getting them from newspaper ads in Gary? rdharma Feb 2013 #39
gun regulation should be a national, as opposed to a local, legislative issue. rdharma Feb 2013 #27
National Gun Control Issue- Really? Francis Marion Feb 2013 #32
Do you say that the solution is to deny ALL of the people their rights at the same time? rdharma Feb 2013 #35
Background check parameters have to be compatible with rights and freedom. Francis Marion Feb 2013 #38
+1 Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #5
ok lets compare it to Atlanta..or Nashville, or a city directly across a river from a third world SQUEE Feb 2013 #7
Please do! Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #9
OK gejohnston Feb 2013 #23
So, despite DC lifting the gun ban, they still lead Chicago. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #24
there is still a registration and licensing scheme gejohnston Feb 2013 #28
Yeah, D.C. Has as many gun shops as Fort Worth!! really. Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #73
Pure bull shit gun control laws and gun violence upaloopa Feb 2013 #30
Got an argument or data? Francis Marion Feb 2013 #33
I stopped playing twenty questions upaloopa Feb 2013 #63
good to know. I expect we will be seeing less of you in this group, then? - Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2013 #78
You don't get to define me upaloopa Feb 2013 #87
I didn't. I just asked a follow up question ... your remark is your own. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2013 #88
My remark is again, I won't play gunner debate games. upaloopa Feb 2013 #90
what you said: Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2013 #91
I replied to an OP and what group it was in wasn't my decision upaloopa Feb 2013 #92
way to dodge My follow up question. again. Peace Out. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2013 #93
they are regulated gejohnston Feb 2013 #34
ignoring the stink jimmy the one Feb 2013 #42
Bulls eye! Starboard Tack Feb 2013 #56
NOLA gejohnston Feb 2013 #60
Bulls eye! Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2013 #79
Couldn't help noticing all your posts are in the Gungeon. Starboard Tack Feb 2013 #55
Is this an echo chamber, or a discussion forum of divergent ideas? Francis Marion Feb 2013 #59
Try cross posting in GD Starboard Tack Feb 2013 #70
Curious, can you post about "guns" in GD? Thanx Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #74
As long as it's a current news topic, yes. There are several gun posts daily. Starboard Tack Feb 2013 #75
as far as I know it has been allowed ever since Newtown ... I don't think Skinner has told the Hosts Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2013 #76
Utah Concealed Carry website JimDandy Feb 2013 #67
I was thinking South Carolina gejohnston Feb 2013 #68
Yes, very aware of the inspiration JimDandy Feb 2013 #69
Interesting. I see he (Sam Fidler) ran on a conservative Republican ticket. Starboard Tack Feb 2013 #71
why Chicago? gejohnston Feb 2013 #65
Of course it would. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #77
The laboratory is Japan. Zero tolerance for guns = negligible gun crime. Loudly Feb 2013 #80
Japan also has gejohnston Feb 2013 #81
That's the kind of country I want to live in. Light House Feb 2013 #85
when the saints go marching in jimmy the one Feb 2013 #83
no simply that most gejohnston Feb 2013 #84
from what I have seen, Skinner does not like it when DUers try to put words in his mouth as he is Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2013 #86
no, can't be the guns, never jimmy the one Feb 2013 #89
vague obtuse and misleading? gejohnston Feb 2013 #94
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