Gun Control & RKBA

Clames

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32. Ummmm....wrong.

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 12:06 AM

Jan 2013

If you knew anything about colonial militias you would at least know that for the most part they were largely self contained and self regulated within the individual colonies even well after the end of the American Revolution. How they were setup, trained, equipped (regulated) varied and had little to no direct supervision from Congress. The company "Captains" had the final decision on how they were equipped and what they were equipped with depended largely on the individual towns that supported the company.

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2A and "Infringement" [View all] tortoise1956 Jan 2013 OP

I think we're about to find out just what is and isn't considered infringement bubbayugga Jan 2013 #1

most accurate description I have seen. gejohnston Jan 2013 #2

How about a different tact? rightsideout Jan 2013 #3

Well-regulated doesn't mean controlled by government regulations in this clause... tortoise1956 Jan 2013 #4

If the governments weren't regulating the militias, who was? nt jmg257 Jan 2013 #9

They generally regulated themselves. Clames Jan 2013 #21

Not really. That is what musters were for...training under the authority of the state, jmg257 Jan 2013 #23

So, do you want me drilling? Glaug-Eldare Jan 2013 #28

Sure why not? That is why the right was secured after all. The Guard jmg257 Jan 2013 #31

What does the Guard have to do with anything? Glaug-Eldare Jan 2013 #49

I'm talking about the well regulated Militia - the reason for the 2nd amendment. jmg257 Jan 2013 #51

Ummmm....wrong. Clames Jan 2013 #32

Surely....And THAT is why the Constitution and the federal Militia Acts jmg257 Jan 2013 #38

The meaning of "well-regulated" was different tortoise1956 Jan 2013 #24

Again...someone was doing all that regulating...the militias were trained by jmg257 Jan 2013 #25

Yep, that would do it tortoise1956 Jan 2013 #27

Not really. The debates from those assembled when coming up with the 2nd had VERY jmg257 Jan 2013 #30

It seems the debates are singularly unhelpful on this subject tortoise1956 Jan 2013 #33

There are numerous mentions of 'personal rights' in letters (Ames I think), and jmg257 Jan 2013 #40

"Well regulated" means whatever the Supreme Court says it means. nt ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #26

more harsh than some countries gejohnston Jan 2013 #5

My take Berserker Jan 2013 #6

Not the point of this post tortoise1956 Jan 2013 #7

Not sure I Berserker Jan 2013 #10

Gotcha - sorry about that! tortoise1956 Jan 2013 #14

Yes Berserker Jan 2013 #19

I learned to debate, not argue tortoise1956 Jan 2013 #22

multi-prong approach required iiibbb Jan 2013 #8

Interesting approach, but still off topic tortoise1956 Jan 2013 #11

okay iiibbb Jan 2013 #15

I'm curious... tortoise1956 Jan 2013 #17

I'm just going by "shall not be infringed" iiibbb Jan 2013 #34

8) citizen access to background checks free of charge Berserker Jan 2013 #13

May be worthwhile to review the "common use" standard Glaug-Eldare Jan 2013 #12

By this standard, tortoise1956 Jan 2013 #16

Well, I'm no Constitutional scholar, and setting aside whether I like any of those things petronius Jan 2013 #18

I agree on infringement... tortoise1956 Jan 2013 #20

Whether it's long-standing law or not doesn't mean much Glaug-Eldare Jan 2013 #29

You're right of course - I was assuming that challenges would have arisen by petronius Jan 2013 #35

3 might survive, Glaug-Eldare Jan 2013 #36

I think #4 would help prevent straw purchases iiibbb Jan 2013 #53

When considering the original intent of the 2A and what actions may or my not run afoul... OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #37

A couple things... jmg257 Jan 2013 #41

Sorry for the misunderstanding. When I said the phrase "bearing arms" was vauge I was referring to OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #44

Cheers - my apologies then on my long-winded reply! nt jmg257 Jan 2013 #46

there 'were' standing armies jimmy the one Jan 2013 #47

On the militias and the people's role in them.. jmg257 Jan 2013 #42

miller 1939 a militia based interpretation jimmy the one Jan 2013 #39

you buy a gun, you just signed up for the militia. Report for duty. lastlib Jan 2013 #43

No need to even buy the gun. People of military fighting age are ALREADY ascribed to the militia. OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #45

old time militias & war of 1812 jimmy the one Jan 2013 #48

When has "well-regulated" ever been a litmus test? Glaug-Eldare Jan 2013 #50

good basis for a discussion samsingh Jan 2013 #52