Gun Control & RKBA

NewMoonTherian

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7. I'm not.

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 06:47 PM

Jan 2013

Not any more. Gun owners have sacrificed(not really sacrificed - it was taken by force) a huge amount of freedom over the past century, and it hasn't accomplished anything. The AWB was in effect in this country for ten years and didn't accomplish anything. The measures being proposed now will not save lives. What they will do is make American citizens less capable of defending themselves personally and collectively. Sacrifice a little? Where is the little sacrifice? All of the most talked-about proposals are massive restrictions on the most important types of arms still widely available to the public.

On the other hand, I want to do whatever we can do to save innocent lives. Apparently, what we're doing is working in spades. Murder in the US plunged by over 50% from 1991 to 2010. There is no shortage of action we could take to reduce violence in America without attacking freedom in any way. Why is this the first and only option that gets any real discussion?

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I love guns [View all] Dragonbreathp9d Jan 2013 OP

Gee, your a reasonable gun owner who isn't always looking over his shoulders. southernyankeebelle Jan 2013 #1

A P90 has historical value? JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2013 #2

That one not so much, I just think it is incredibly advanced Dragonbreathp9d Jan 2013 #3

It those that are already owned which makes things inconvenient. jmg257 Jan 2013 #4

Big deal Dragonbreathp9d Jan 2013 #5

Yep - as am I - so no argument from me on that point! nt jmg257 Jan 2013 #6

I'm not. NewMoonTherian Jan 2013 #7

Really?????? nt flamin lib Jan 2013 #8

Really, friend. Did I say anything that shocking or incomprehensible? n/t NewMoonTherian Jan 2013 #9

All I've heard in the Gungeon is that great strides have been made in flamin lib Jan 2013 #10

Well I do think that gejohnston Jan 2013 #11

I agree. I don't believe that the founders wanted to spread our form of government ... spin Jan 2013 #12

Personally ... holdencaufield Jan 2013 #15

I didn't say "sacrifice". NewMoonTherian Jan 2013 #13

Indeed! DemDealer Jan 2013 #14

Laws are ineffective because they are sabotaged by gunner politicians. flamin lib Jan 2013 #16

the ATF come into existence 40 years ago gejohnston Jan 2013 #17

Might have been local law enforcement, but BATF&E is forbidden to do more than flamin lib Jan 2013 #20

both gejohnston Jan 2013 #22

Like I said, ineffective by design. Thanks for helping make the point. nt flamin lib Jan 2013 #23

yeah, but can't put most of it on the NRA gejohnston Jan 2013 #24

I can.nt flamin lib Jan 2013 #25

The laws are ineffective because they were bad when they were passed. NewMoonTherian Jan 2013 #18

And which, beyond selling full autos, will the gun culture support? I've got flamin lib Jan 2013 #21

I disagree. NewMoonTherian Jan 2013 #27

I WISH I could use NICS..... Callisto32 Jan 2013 #29

I'm not in a mood to compromise. As noted up thread everything has gone the gunner's flamin lib Jan 2013 #31

But see, it's not. NewMoonTherian Jan 2013 #33

There is no pro gun surge, only pro gun lobbying. nt flamin lib Jan 2013 #35

As a "Gunner" as you put it Berserker Jan 2013 #34

I'm a FFL holder. I don't give a fuck that you don't give a fuck. If guns could be confiscated flamin lib Jan 2013 #36

Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck Berserker Jan 2013 #37

"I reject your reality, and substitute my own" Callisto32 Jan 2013 #30

Yeah, I'm up for that. See if there's any THC in there. nt flamin lib Jan 2013 #32

There are none, or almost none. TxRider Jan 2013 #39

Understood. I was talking about the vast amounts of arms and jmg257 Jan 2013 #40

Your hunting rifle today... Francis Marion Jan 2013 #19

If it is 'hardly even an inconvenience' how is it a 'sacrifice' ? n/t PoliticAverse Jan 2013 #26

Should you not buy your dream car for the same reasons? Callisto32 Jan 2013 #28

Sacrifice? TxRider Jan 2013 #38

In New York, where I just moved iiibbb Jan 2013 #41