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wercal

(1,370 posts)
77. I'm really not sure of the point you are making
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 10:49 AM
Jan 2013

But this statement caught my eye:

"I don't know about your state, but every state I know of, the driver is liable not the owner."

I really don't know how it relates to guns; but, let me assure you that a driver and owner can both be liable. Especially if you lend your car to somebody who has a suspended license. And, if you own a beater and let your kid use it, 'as long as he pays the gas and insurance'...sell the car to him, for a dollar. Get your name off of the title, in case he lets the insurance lapse, and gets in a wreck.

Just an aside, but it really caught my eye. A co-worker has a very large judgement against her, as a result of her adult son's mistakes. If you own a vehicle, you are liable for damages caused by it....even if it catches fire and burns down the neighbor's house, with no driver whatsoever.

My prediction...1994 all over again.... iiibbb Jan 2013 #1
Times They are a-Changin SecularMotion Jan 2013 #17
Beat me to it. Starboard Tack Jan 2013 #47
Google up Bob Dylan Guns. Take your pick. nt Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #78
The song is not about Bob Dylan or guns. What's your point? SecularMotion Jan 2013 #81
Bob Dylan is pro RKBA. Jenoch Jan 2013 #91
The song isn't about Bob Dylan. What's your point? SecularMotion Jan 2013 #97
The song was written and performed by Bob Dylan. Your post was about Bob Dylan. Jenoch Jan 2013 #99
Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #100
Are you really that stupid or are you just being obtuse? Jenoch Jan 2013 #101
Well, with regards guns, things have indeed changed since the song... Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #108
This is actually good news in some respects... chicoguy Jan 2013 #18
That's what I was thinking customerserviceguy Jan 2013 #39
they have an "assault weapons ban" already gejohnston Jan 2013 #2
Worse...complete ban or registration of all AW... jmg257 Jan 2013 #3
Its worse than you think.. Hunters, their coming for YOU! virginia mountainman Jan 2013 #5
Looks like Ed Shultz better move his Fudd guns back gejohnston Jan 2013 #6
LOL! This has NOTHING to do with traditional hunting rifles - just gun porn guns jpak Jan 2013 #13
Maybe it is you who cannot read: chicoguy Jan 2013 #21
Dont think that is in the bill...semi only, and revolver shotguns. jmg257 Jan 2013 #52
what about the 7 round magazine limit? bossy22 Jan 2013 #74
ExIsting 10 rnd mags load With 7, new ones would limited cap to 7 max. jmg257 Jan 2013 #75
Nobody knows. Straw Man Jan 2013 #111
Yes - I see that now. If one reads the bill, jmg257 Jan 2013 #120
Correct. Straw Man Jan 2013 #121
10 rounders are OK if currently owned, can't contain more the 7 rounds. jmg257 Jan 2013 #117
Not true. Straw Man Jan 2013 #114
We were talking about Assault Weapons. Feeding devices are different. jmg257 Jan 2013 #116
Right -- but both banned. Straw Man Jan 2013 #123
Like this one? Straw Man Jan 2013 #110
This appears to define Jenoch Jan 2013 #92
Most 74x/74xx don't have 1 of the 'features'. Besides, 7400 7600 appear in Appendix A 18 USC 922 jmg257 Jan 2013 #95
Finally. Now we'll be able to walk the streets of NYC without fear bubbayugga Jan 2013 #9
are you serious? gejohnston Jan 2013 #10
If you mean you are a criminal chicoguy Jan 2013 #28
You must be so proud of your bullshit. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #12
Disingenuous. Straw Man Jan 2013 #109
Curios and antiques are exempt. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #118
But only if they meet New York's definition. Straw Man Jan 2013 #122
It is almost as if New York State thinks they can make their own laws. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #132
Didn't know you were such a "states' rights" fan. Straw Man Jan 2013 #146
Hmmm. Why yes I do believe state governments have the right to make laws. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #150
Sure, states have the right to enact ... Straw Man Jan 2013 #153
You know you are posting complete and utter bull shit, right? etherealtruth Jan 2013 #14
I copied and pasted from the LAW.. virginia mountainman Jan 2013 #25
The law is OK ... it doesn't go far enough etherealtruth Jan 2013 #41
The new law amends the existing laws. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #43
the new limit is three gejohnston Jan 2013 #45
No it isn't. Wtf. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #46
The new law makes 11 rounds or more mags illegal, no matter what date... jmg257 Jan 2013 #50
Ok 7 is not 3, and I was talking about the arsenal limit. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #76
Ahh- got ya - OK - didn't realize that. FWIW - "Firearm" is NOT "gun" in NY. jmg257 Jan 2013 #79
we had teh same thing in California: chicoguy Jan 2013 #20
Is there a grandfather clause to the "no more than ten" limit? beevul Jan 2013 #30
Thats what REALLY set my NY freind off...NO GRANDFATHERING.. virginia mountainman Jan 2013 #32
New ones must be 7, existing 10 rounders can only contain 7 rounds. Nt jmg257 Jan 2013 #54
I see many, MANY road trips to Vermont, Massachusetts, and Pennsylvania, with... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #59
BTW, its not a 10 rnd limit, its a 7..... virginia mountainman Jan 2013 #36
It was existing law. The op is a can of bullshit. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #44
Why? jmg257 Jan 2013 #53
Imagine, hunters will actually have to go back to hunting. Starboard Tack Jan 2013 #48
or rich Brits who gejohnston Jan 2013 #51
Ouch! Starboard Tack Jan 2013 #106
did UK murder drop? gejohnston Jan 2013 #107
I agree with Parliament and the people on that issue. Starboard Tack Jan 2013 #127
but the murder and suicide rates did not drop gejohnston Jan 2013 #128
Sure they did. Starboard Tack Jan 2013 #131
A "firearm" in NY is more like pistols and SOSG..not all guns. Not a new provision. jmg257 Jan 2013 #55
You do know... bobclark86 Jan 2013 #62
Not too sure about that... jmg257 Jan 2013 #80
Those are short-barrelled shotguns and rifles you are referring to... bobclark86 Jan 2013 #88
I think you have me confused with another poster. But anyway... jmg257 Jan 2013 #89
This message was self-deleted by its author jmg257 Jan 2013 #93
And do YOU know... Straw Man Jan 2013 #124
Alan Gura probably needs another yacht anyway DonP Jan 2013 #4
It beats asking members for donations. Remmah2 Jan 2013 #8
I thought Rahm was going to get a free Life NRA membership DonP Jan 2013 #11
I feel safer already. Remmah2 Jan 2013 #7
Next up for NY: Require all car owners with defective brakes to install louder horns. chairman meow Jan 2013 #15
And that's just a preview of what's coming - NATIONWIDE. apocalypsehow Jan 2013 #16
Don't hold your breath. Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #19
Hey, look! Up in the sky! Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #23
Whistling past the graveyard. morningfog Jan 2013 #29
Hopefully! It's all about momentum. Starboard Tack Jan 2013 #49
So you're OK with this being banned? Straw Man Jan 2013 #112
Sure. Starboard Tack Jan 2013 #125
no there won't gejohnston Jan 2013 #126
Maybe when we get the death rate down to Oz and UK levels we'll be allowed out of our rooms again. Starboard Tack Jan 2013 #129
murder rates are the same gejohnston Jan 2013 #130
No they aren't. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #133
I didn't say the same as ours gejohnston Jan 2013 #134
Correction! Starboard Tack Jan 2013 #138
you misrepresented what I said gejohnston Jan 2013 #139
The topic here is gun violence. That's why we're here. Starboard Tack Jan 2013 #140
yes we are talking about guns, but gejohnston Jan 2013 #141
If you think banning Enfields and cowboy rifles ... Straw Man Jan 2013 #149
I don't think banning anything will save lives. Starboard Tack Jan 2013 #154
Logic? Straw Man Jan 2013 #156
I foresee a sudden run on guardian Jan 2013 #22
..and a spate of tragic boating accidents. Lots of deep lakes in NY State... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #58
great, I hope lots of gun nuts go out and commit felonies and get caught. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #137
Of *course* you do, you big strong culture warrior you... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #142
Oh right, I forgot, laws are just for the little people. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #143
-1 for erroneous kneejerk reaction; I don't own a gun, and have said so here numerous times friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #144
And btw, since you broached the subject of Zimmerman- friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #145
I must have hit a nerve. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #147
Don't flatter yourself- your sort has been seen before: friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #148
Thank you New York locks Jan 2013 #24
New York gun owners can profit by selling theirs in Vermont. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #26
Why we need NATIONAL HockeyMom Jan 2013 #33
Since that won't get through Congress before 2015 (if then)... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #60
Rec! Good on NY! morningfog Jan 2013 #27
Is there something to even hunt in NY? Phlem Jan 2013 #31
Do you mean other than guardian Jan 2013 #34
Do people really eat skunk? Phlem Jan 2013 #35
It's called varmint hunting... Bay Boy Jan 2013 #38
most people do not eat skunk guardian Jan 2013 #40
that's an outsider for ya. Phlem Jan 2013 #42
~ K ~ In_The_Wind Jan 2013 #37
It's time for gun owners to police their own...3/4 of us don't have them or want them. libdem4life Jan 2013 #56
since most of it is criminal gangs gejohnston Jan 2013 #57
OK...we are now hostage to "criminal gangs"? "community guns"? I lived in LA County libdem4life Jan 2013 #61
always have been gejohnston Jan 2013 #63
Yes, they do. I taught many of their kids and listened to their stories. When it got too bad, they libdem4life Jan 2013 #65
Wyoming was when I was a kid gejohnston Jan 2013 #67
Isn't life interesting...my Mom was born in Laramie in 1919...LOL...have to agree about Rick Scott libdem4life Jan 2013 #69
Grew up in Rock Springs gejohnston Jan 2013 #71
Well even a smaller world...Fairfield is in Sonoma County just over the hill...Santa Rosa here... libdem4life Jan 2013 #72
Especially when... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2013 #64
Just curious, what is there about being found guilty that does not get addressed legally? libdem4life Jan 2013 #66
Nothing I know of. Why? n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2013 #68
If they are guilty, they get punished and at least lose their gun rights, right? libdem4life Jan 2013 #70
My point discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2013 #73
I'm really not sure of the point you are making wercal Jan 2013 #77
Just like Muslims should police their own? krispos42 Jan 2013 #102
Can someone check on this? Are pre-1994 hi-cap mags legal to possess in NY? EDIT NO!!! jmg257 Jan 2013 #82
Is it true they forgot to exempt LEOs? Glaug-Eldare Jan 2013 #83
from what I understand, gejohnston Jan 2013 #84
Not sure - it modifies existing law so without comparing every new section to jmg257 Jan 2013 #85
History is full of... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2013 #86
No - The exemptions section is still active... jmg257 Jan 2013 #87
Ah, guess they still need their automatic death spewers Glaug-Eldare Jan 2013 #90
Shhh.. Nobody is supposed to talk about that. jeepnstein Jan 2013 #98
So every cop in New York Jenoch Jan 2013 #94
I think 1 year to get mags figured out, too. Cops are exempt. jmg257 Jan 2013 #96
They did not exempt LEOs from the new magazine laws. Jenoch Jan 2013 #135
Yep - I saw that...they did not revise the existing exemptions to include the new jmg257 Jan 2013 #136
They aren't terribly bright. Clames Jan 2013 #103
and the cops are not exempt gejohnston Jan 2013 #104
So why are they going to give the police an exemption? Elmergantry Jan 2013 #115
You have to keep reading...exemptions allow for licenses (CCW type). Nt jmg257 Jan 2013 #105
So you would have to have a CCW in NYS to possess a firearm? Clames Jan 2013 #113
Sure it will...it has been that way for decades. "Firearm" in NY jmg257 Jan 2013 #119
Will everybody qualified to own a gun be granted a permit? OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #151
NY is officially a 'may issue' I guess. If there is no reason for you not to own one, you'll jmg257 Jan 2013 #152
"May issue" aka "may infringe" OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #155
NYS has had these laws for decades. They have withstood challenges. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #157
when were they challenged? gejohnston Jan 2013 #158
Google works for me. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #159
that wasn't a 2A issue and gejohnston Jan 2013 #160
Sure it was, and it is an argument raised here frequently. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #161
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