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napoleon_in_rags

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37. What I'm saying is that blacks shouldn't have it in their vocabulary either.
Thu May 31, 2012, 12:36 AM
May 2012

In fact what I was trying to say is that we shouldn't divide ourselves up based on who can say what, we should look at the words themselves. When I look at the n-word, I see a foul word. Its a corruption of "negro", with ther "er" suffix added to the end. The "er" suffix is used in our language to tie an identity to an action. A swimmER is she who swims, a diggER is he who digs. The grotesque quality of the n-word is that it ties the color of a person's skin to their actions - what they can or will do - and as such it negates the fundamental concept of freedom, that what person's skin color is does not dictate what they will or may do. People are free to define themselves, to write their own story, whatever color skin they have. And we should embrace that, and throw out the n-word, whatever our race may be.

"Queer" is different. Intuitively looking at the history of that word, I hear a conversation between a British estate owner (played by Sean Connery) and his guest (played by Angela Lansbury).

Connery: Rufus my Butler married to her? Oh no my dear. He is very much a single man, and seems intent on remaining so, preferring the company of Jonathan, the gardener in his spare time.
Lansbury: Ah! What a queer fellow!
Connery (eyebrow raised): Queer indeed...
Lansbury: And what of your aunt Martha, is she recovering well?...

Its a word to cover the known in times where stating the known could get people thrown in jail. Its intent was never to demean, but simply not to pry, not to dwell. And it is a good word, with good intent when used.

These are my two cents on the matter.

Peace

Question about good/bad words [View all] valerief May 2012 OP
I think you're right about 'queer'. napoleon_in_rags May 2012 #1
Thanks. That's good to hear. valerief May 2012 #2
"Queer" has definitely come full circle. Some others, as well, depending on context and situation. pinto May 2012 #3
59? A mere pup. (I'm eternally 39, just like Jack Benny.) valerief May 2012 #5
there's still a few of us alive that don't like it(Queer) mitchtv May 2012 #4
Okay, thanks. valerief May 2012 #6
Speaking of words, doesn't "pastor" mean sheep herder? MNBrewer May 2012 #9
Dyke and Queer are pretty common here FreeState May 2012 #7
Thanks. That's what I thought. A friend (another long-in-the-tooth DUer) didn't think so. valerief May 2012 #13
It depends on the context TheCruces May 2012 #8
This right here! Iggo May 2012 #10
Well, that makes perfect sense, and that's what I thought. Thanks. nt valerief May 2012 #14
I would never use either term susanr516 May 2012 #26
Words do have a tendency to change over time. SoutherDem May 2012 #11
That's either really funny or really over my head. valerief May 2012 #15
In many musical scores SoutherDem May 2012 #25
Ah. In Google Translate, it's Basson. Hence, my confusion. Ha! nt valerief May 2012 #27
i think those words are not ok used by straight people La Lioness Priyanka May 2012 #12
That's what an old friend of mine thinks, but I had the feeling things had changed. valerief May 2012 #16
if you're not part of the in-group you don't get to reclaim words La Lioness Priyanka May 2012 #18
I remember back when we had three races--Negroid, Mongloid, and Caucasoid. valerief May 2012 #19
i think communities use and change words as they think best fits them La Lioness Priyanka May 2012 #21
For me, dyke is offensive all the way around. Jamastiene May 2012 #33
I myself don't use either word in any context. William769 May 2012 #17
I'm a straight mamma of a lesbian here, but my advice is that hedgehog May 2012 #20
But, when you think of it, isn't that how Newspeak starts? valerief May 2012 #28
It's a matter of what you are trying to communicate, hedgehog May 2012 #29
I think context is everything, not specific words. I just hate "sin" words, because valerief May 2012 #30
For words like "queer" context is indeed everything! We need to take hedgehog May 2012 #31
I never use "queer" or "dyke" to reference a person/persons obamanut2012 May 2012 #22
i would say explicit understanding. La Lioness Priyanka May 2012 #23
True -- I was thinking between very good friends obamanut2012 May 2012 #24
"I do think that straight people should never, ever use those words" napoleon_in_rags May 2012 #35
Except I didn't do that obamanut2012 May 2012 #36
What I'm saying is that blacks shouldn't have it in their vocabulary either. napoleon_in_rags May 2012 #37
I think that a lot of it has to do with context and location... Fearless May 2012 #32
I am a gay man and I use gay to describe myself. beyurslf May 2012 #34
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