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Response to FourScore (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 12:32 PM

7. A quick strawman more like it..

It was brought up on DU2, and IIRC it was pointed out how it doesn't even finish the first sentence without completely misrepresenting the actual truth.

It's nothing but a truther's satire over what he/she wants the "official story" strawman to be, in order for him/her to be able to dismiss it.

Edit: Let's just take the first sentence step by step.

On the morning of September 11, 2001, 19 men armed with boxcutters
.. and knives, mace, as well as what appeared to be guns and bombs.

directed by a man
There is no evidence that Osama bin Laden was involved in the running of the operations after the lead 9/11 hijackers were in the US. He was certainly involved at the planning stage, including making the selection of Mohammed Atta as the leader of the hijackers, but beyond that it was being run by Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and Ramzi bin al-Shibh.

on dialysis
There is no evidence that OBL ever had kidney disease to the point of him needing dialysis.

in a cave fortress halfway around the world
There is no evidence that OBL employed the use of caves prior to the 9/11 attacks and the US led invasion of Afghanistan. Why would he? He was the guest of the Taliban government and even had a home at Tarnak Farms.

using a satellite phone and a laptop
See above, OBL was never involved in the runnings of the operations.

directed the most sophisticated penetration
No penetration of the ADIZ was made, all flights began in domestic airspace.

of the most heavily-defended airspace in the world
I can think of a few places being more heavily defended than commercial US airspace.

overpowering the passengers and the military combat-trained pilots on 4 commercial aircraft
Really? Only Charles Burlingame was military, and he had been out of the military for a good couple of years prior to 9/11. But perhaps the narrator can enlighten us, as to what sort of military training teaches you to overpower 2 or more attackers, coming up on you from behind and trying to slit your throat while you're strapped to your seat.

before flying those planes wildly off course for over an hour without being molested by a single fighter interceptor.
AA11 hijacked between 8:14 & 8:24 AM, crashed at 8:46 AM. 32 minutes.
UA175 hijacked between 8:42 & 8:46 AM, crashed at 9:03 AM. 21 minutes.
AA77 hijacked between 8:51 & 8:54 AM, crashed at 9:37 AM. 46 minutes.
UA93 hijacked between 9:25 & 9:27 AM, crashed at 10:03 AM. 38 minutes.

Not a single flight was "off course for over an hour". On top of that, the only intercept that took place entirely in domestic airspace prior to 9/11, the Payne Stewart crash, it took nearly 1 hours to intercept the aircraft.

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