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William Seger

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55. LMFAO!
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 10:12 AM
Oct 2012

> There is STILL nothing demonstrating that their findings were false.

In the first place, of course that's not how science works, for reasons that should be obvious to a logical person. Science is based on logic, so I'm not surprised that you don't understand that nobody is required to demonstrate that the paper's findings are false; it's their job to prove their findings are true. And yet, that thread discusses at length that: (A) they failed to do the type of tests that would have conclusively proved any thermitic reaction actually happened; (B) they failed to do the type of tests that would have conclusively proved the presence of elemental aluminum which is necessary for any such reaction; and (c) they failed to do comparison tests on the type of paint that was actually used in the building. There's no "link" necessary to show that they simply try to infer those things indirectly rather than directly testing for them; it's self-evident right there in the paper! Admittedly, it requires a certain degree of reading comprehension to notice that, but once someone points it out to you, there's no excuse for continuing to deny it. And then we have the uncomfortable fact (which is linked) that a fellow "truther" was unable to duplicate the results they used to infer those things! That is world class fail, dude, regardless of your inability to understand why.

But it gets much worse, because in this particular case there IS very convincing evidence right in the paper that their findings are false, and I pointed you to two major problems with their conclusion: The ignition temperature of the reaction they detected and the energy density they measured are not even close to those of a thermitic reaction, while they are quite common for ordinary organic materials burning in air. Specifically, the ignition temperature is at least 100 degrees too low for even "supernanothermite" and the energy density is at least twice the theoretical maximum for any thermitic reaction, "nano" or otherwise, even if the stuff were pure aluminum and iron oxide (which it wasn't). Again, there's no "link" necessary unless you are completely incapable of looking up for yourself what those values should be. If that's the case, then you should have said so and I would have tried to help you out. But then, as now, you seem to think that your ignorant and unsubstantiated denials are sufficient rebuttal. Sorry, but your inability to comprehend that the ignition temperature and energy density are fundamental properties of any exothermic chemical reaction, not random meaningless variables, is laughably irrelevant to the issue.

On the JREF forum, there is a very long list of criticisms leveled against the paper by experts in the field, but I have focused on the three major failures in the paper and the two major instances of contradictory evidence because they are well within the grasp of we laymen who are possessed with ordinary reasoning skills. If you are not a member of that group, that's not my problem.

> Like here, you just make shit up and apparently rely on your insistance that it's true for people to believe it.

Really? And yet, everything I've said is completely backed up by what's actually in the paper, accessible to anyone with ordinary reading comprehension, and by what's conspicuously missing from the paper, which can't be denied by anyone who understands why it matters. I defy you to point to a single instance of me "making shit up."

> You had nothing then and you have nothing now.



> Where are the ACTUAL refutations of the paper????

Not that I expect you to take my advice, but I'll at least ask that you please do yourself a favor: Read and reread the first two paragraphs above until you understand enough of the issues to at least attempt to answer to them rather than just fart in their general direction. Either that, or quietly back away and hope that a few months from now, people will have forgotten this thread. As it is, you're just making a fool of yourself.

Osama Confession Video [View all] cpwm17 Oct 2012 OP
One way or another, we're being lied to. The Doctor. Oct 2012 #1
Osama and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed were happy to take credit for 9-11 cpwm17 Oct 2012 #2
Wow. Nice attempt to sidestep reason. The Doctor. Oct 2012 #3
Your argument is based on who has the motivation to lie cpwm17 Oct 2012 #6
If I go into your house, The Doctor. Oct 2012 #8
Since when did I call the video itself hard evidence that Osama did 9-11? cpwm17 Oct 2012 #10
Again, you use troll tactics. The Doctor. Oct 2012 #11
Actually, no nano-thermite was found at the site. zappaman Oct 2012 #12
Unlike the poor sods out there who believe the garbage in your link, The Doctor. Oct 2012 #13
Read it when it came out zappaman Oct 2012 #14
Insinuation without links, evidence, or excerpts is a troll tactic. The Doctor. Oct 2012 #41
You read the entire document William Seger Oct 2012 #16
Really? Which page and paragraph? The Doctor. Oct 2012 #19
Google is your friend William Seger Oct 2012 #20
Awesome! The Doctor. Oct 2012 #22
I'll take that as a concession William Seger Oct 2012 #29
You're a constant source of amusement. The Doctor. Oct 2012 #31
So, you didn't read post #16, huh? William Seger Oct 2012 #34
You mean the post where you make a bunch of assertions The Doctor. Oct 2012 #37
Hmmmm.. William Seger Oct 2012 #42
The reason you shouldn't bother is either that you can't find them, The Doctor. Oct 2012 #47
What a pantload William Seger Oct 2012 #48
Amazing. The Doctor. Oct 2012 #51
LMFAO! William Seger Oct 2012 #55
So I say 'you have nothing', and ask for the *actual* refutations of the paper.... The Doctor. Oct 2012 #65
I see you didn't take my advice. What a surprise. William Seger Oct 2012 #69
Your 'advice' is irrelevant. I want links. You don't have them. The Doctor. Nov 2012 #74
Who do you think you're kidding? You apparently don't read links William Seger Nov 2012 #81
William says the video is not hard evidence. The Doctor. Oct 2012 #9
"It appears your argument is with him, not me." William Seger Oct 2012 #17
We got here because in another thread I said that there is no hard evidence The Doctor. Oct 2012 #18
"There is no 'evidence' of a confession" ?! William Seger Oct 2012 #21
It's a simple question: The Doctor. Oct 2012 #23
I called it a confession video because that is what it has already been called. cpwm17 Oct 2012 #24
You seem conflicted. The Doctor. Oct 2012 #25
You seem to be having difficulty with the English Language and very simple concepts. cpwm17 Oct 2012 #30
Strange question William Seger Oct 2012 #27
I'm just trying to get a clear answer. The Doctor. Oct 2012 #33
I'm beginning to think your main problem is reading comprehension William Seger Oct 2012 #35
So a video of someone bragging about comitting a crime is not hard evidence? The Doctor. Oct 2012 #38
BY ITSELF, the video "proves" nothing William Seger Oct 2012 #43
Here in reality, people are indicted, tried, and convicted on the strength The Doctor. Oct 2012 #45
Your faulty logic, arrogant assertions, and outright distortions of what's been said in this thread William Seger Oct 2012 #49
Calling a duck a tank doesn't make it one. The Doctor. Oct 2012 #53
Oh, so you think maybe bin Laden might have painted the buildings with exploding paint? William Seger Oct 2012 #56
More bullshit. How tiresome. The Doctor. Oct 2012 #66
More irony. How humorous. William Seger Oct 2012 #72
Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #75
Why would I alert on your funniest post yet? William Seger Nov 2012 #80
"The Doctor" is no longer with us. Quantess Dec 2012 #88
What.... Frank_Norris_Lives Dec 2012 #89
Where to begin? Quantess Dec 2012 #90
Was it this.... Frank_Norris_Lives Dec 2012 #91
Check out Meta-discussion cpwm17 Dec 2012 #93
Ok... Frank_Norris_Lives Dec 2012 #92
"Facts" ? William Seger Oct 2012 #5
LMAO! You've just proven beyond doubt that you can't be taken seriously. The Doctor. Oct 2012 #7
What you just did there is called "logical reasoning" huh? William Seger Oct 2012 #15
Again, you fail. The Doctor. Oct 2012 #26
Again, you fail to provide any cogent response to valid criticism William Seger Oct 2012 #28
If you want to provide a 'cogent' argument, The Doctor. Oct 2012 #32
Thanks again William Seger Oct 2012 #36
This should be amusing. The Doctor. Oct 2012 #39
Why should I expect that explaining it a fourth time would make a difference? William Seger Oct 2012 #44
Yer just about off the deep end here. I don't recall telling Tombs anything in person. The Doctor. Oct 2012 #46
Yes, you've convinced me that you'll keep repeating the same nonsense over and over William Seger Oct 2012 #59
If the FBI says it's not hard evidence, then it's a fact. The Doctor. Oct 2012 #67
That's rather authoritarian of you to accept the FBI so righteously, The Doctor. Bolo Boffin Oct 2012 #68
So now you believe there is a conspiracy theory that the FBI dismisses hard evidence? The Doctor. Nov 2012 #76
That video was shot with a PAL-format camera William Seger Oct 2012 #4
So I state in another thread that the FBI does not consider this video The Doctor. Oct 2012 #40
William Seger doesn't agree with you at all cpwm17 Oct 2012 #50
Well, he wants it both ways. The Doctor. Oct 2012 #52
All of you have a good point Spoopy Oct 2012 #54
You're using reason. The Doctor. Oct 2012 #58
Oh, bullshit William Seger Oct 2012 #60
You've divested yourself of the reality upon which my reasoning was based. The Doctor. Oct 2012 #64
Huh. You already asked him that. AZCat Oct 2012 #70
In the first place, "confession" should be in quotes William Seger Oct 2012 #71
So the video is not a confession? The Doctor. Nov 2012 #73
LOL, what about your "logical reasoning" that the video was fake? (n/t) William Seger Nov 2012 #82
All you have is an ambiguous statement spoken by an single FBI agent, cpwm17 Oct 2012 #61
Ambiguous? Are you that fucking stupid? The Doctor. Nov 2012 #77
Incredible claims require incredible evidence cpwm17 Nov 2012 #83
You are using the argument from authority cpwm17 Oct 2012 #57
If you can't understand the words "hard evidence" when they are put together, The Doctor. Nov 2012 #79
You've gone out of your way to avoid discussing your evidence for CD's cpwm17 Nov 2012 #85
Wait.... Frank_Norris_Lives Oct 2012 #62
At first, when Osama thought his ass was on the line, he said he didn't do it. cpwm17 Oct 2012 #63
Oh, Awesome! So when did he claim responsibility? The Doctor. Nov 2012 #78
I already showed you a link concerning Osama's claims of responsibility for 9-11 cpwm17 Nov 2012 #84
That explanation seems... Frank_Norris_Lives Nov 2012 #86
Osama did publicly take credit for 9-11. cpwm17 Nov 2012 #87
Room for doubt Spoopy Dec 2012 #94
As I wrote above, the "Confession Video" wasn't the only time Osama talked of his involvement cpwm17 Dec 2012 #95
Except there was no evidence that words were was bin Laden's... KDLarsen Dec 2012 #96
That interview was filed on 28th September 2001 cpwm17 Dec 2012 #97
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