Israel/Palestine

shira

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31. I claim no one credible has said Beinart is antisemitic, as Krugman inferred...

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 10:21 AM

Apr 2012

Krugman brought up antisemitism within the context of "criticizing" Israel, not me.

When centuries old antisemitic tropes are used in such "criticism", that's antisemitic. Jews controlling too much, having loyalty to Israel over the USA. That's antisemitic, not criticism. Calling only the Jewish state a Nazi state or carrying out nazi like actions - only Israel mind you - is also antisemitic. The only reason Israel is compared to the Nazis is obvious. This Holocaust inversion is nothing but disgusting Jew baiting.

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Paul Krugman: ‘Israeli government policies are a form of national suicide’ [View all] Jefferson23 Apr 2012 OP

The Crisis of Zionism: Six Questions for Peter Beinart by Scott Horton Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #1

Thank you Paul for being honest about the realities of the present decision MindMover Apr 2012 #2

But... But... But... God gave us this land! longship Apr 2012 #3

Paul Krugman: “Israel’s Economy is One of the Happy Stories” oberliner Apr 2012 #4

Oh boy. Now we get to hear all about how Paul Krugman is an anti-semite. Crunchy Frog Apr 2012 #5

The pre-emptive "now they will call him an anti-semite" strike oberliner Apr 2012 #6

Well, it definitely happens on DU. Crunchy Frog Apr 2012 #23

Well I think we can agree that there is some overlap oberliner Apr 2012 #27

Yes, I definitely think there is some overlap, Crunchy Frog Apr 2012 #49

It is interesting that he said this is one reason he does not speak about the subject much at all. Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #7

You should have seen some of the incredible attacks on Glenn Greenwald Crunchy Frog Apr 2012 #24

Greenwald won't back down regardless and although he is Jewish, he does not carry the weight Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #55

Yes, I agree about Greenwald not being as influential as Krugman Crunchy Frog Apr 2012 #57

I'm disappointed with Krugman. He defends deliberate liars like Peter Beinart.... shira Apr 2012 #8

What reason would Krugman have to defend Beinart..if it is so obvious to you that Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #9

Exactly. Why lie deliberately? And why defend such lies? Good question... shira Apr 2012 #10

You believe Krugman is lying on behalf of the deliberate liar Beinart and that Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #11

First, you need to recognize lies for what they are.... shira Apr 2012 #13

I'm delfecting? LOL This thread is about Paul Krugman's endorsement of the book Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #14

Then let's go right to the article. Krugman writes WRT criticizing Israel... shira Apr 2012 #15

I asked you why do you believe Krugman would support the deliberate liar Beinart, your words. Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #17

Before I answer, realize that you very rarely directly address questions to you... shira Apr 2012 #18

Address what lies? YOU believe they're lies, I believe they hold an opinion worth Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #20

An opinion that conveniently leaves out facts in order to criticize unfairly is propaganda. shira Apr 2012 #30

They're lies to you and as I have said, the lack of support Israeli policies Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #37

So lies by omission are not lies in your opinion, right? shira Apr 2012 #39

No, you forget it, and go play your silly game alone. n/t Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #43

Once again we see that when you can't defend your argument, the debate is over. shira Apr 2012 #46

The deep irony of your post is appreciated, at least by me. n/t Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #50

The difference b/w us is that I have no problem defending my views & answering questions shira Apr 2012 #59

Is it your claim that Beinart has not received criticism for his political views on Israel? The Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #19

I claim no one credible has said Beinart is antisemitic, as Krugman inferred... shira Apr 2012 #31

Then you don't know what "tantamount to" means, as he has used it. As for the remainder of your post Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #35

No, you don't know what it means. Tantamount to antisemitism means equivalent to... shira Apr 2012 #36

You're something else, you know that? Of course it applies, and could you at least Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #38

So give me an example. Who has virtually called Beinart an anti-Semite... shira Apr 2012 #40

Tom Friedman, Joe Klein, Crunchy Frog Apr 2012 #51

Also getting harder to claim that "The Lobby" silences criticism of Israel oberliner Apr 2012 #52

lol, no, oberliner, their job is merely becoming increasingly more difficult via individuals Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #54

Or that they're becoming somewhat more impotent in the face of "facts on the ground". Crunchy Frog Apr 2012 #58

While Beinart COULD be deliberately lying, Martin Sherman's words cannot be taken as evidence for LeftishBrit Apr 2012 #33

So what if he's rightwing? He is, but that has zero to do with the facts.... shira Apr 2012 #34

Yes, some people who claim to be leftists have hard-right views, or support those who do LeftishBrit Apr 2012 #53

By that reasoning, Mondoweiss should rate even worse than Sherman... shira Apr 2012 #56

Thank you for reminding me Crunchy Frog Apr 2012 #25

Anyone who enjoys smearing and libeling Israel will enjoy his book. n/t shira Apr 2012 #32

Israels economic preformance and its diplomatic military policy preformances azurnoir Apr 2012 #12

I know, lol. You may find this amusing too, the last paragraph in particular. Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #16

Very true oberliner Apr 2012 #21

Sadly, I believe that is highly unlikely to occur from within Bibi. n/t Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #22

What will new elections bring? oberliner Apr 2012 #26

I am hopeful the Palestinians will push their message through loud enough Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #42

Netanyahu's ears seem more tuned to notes sung by his coalition azurnoir Apr 2012 #45

I think he has specially designed headphones or something. Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #48

Well, I've been making a similar argument here for ten years or so. bemildred Apr 2012 #28

I enjoy your posts. Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #41

One in a long line of Cassandras, him & me both. bemildred Apr 2012 #44

A powerful piece and quite thoughtful. I imagine he was motivated in part, by the nightmare tactics Jefferson23 Apr 2012 #47

The ‘bravery’ of Beinart, and Krugman oberliner Apr 2012 #29