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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
41. He just wrote a poem.
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 06:11 PM
Apr 2012

That's ALL the man did. At most, he was guilty of a bit of rhetorical overkill.

That poem is not a threat to Israel's survival.

And I'm sorry, but I can't let you call the man a Nazi, the most vile insult in any language, just because you disagree with him on this issue. Gunter Grass has spent over sixty years holding his country AND himself accountable for what happened in the war. That far outweighs what he did for less than a year as a teenager-in a situation in which he was conscripted and had no alternative but to join up-just like Helmut Kohl, who was given a total pass on the issue by the Israeli government and its apologists. It wasn't Gunter Grass that got Reagan to put wreaths on the graves at Bitburg, or who led his party(in opposition)to vote against removing the statute of limitations for the prosecution of Nazi war criminals. It wasn't Grass who led a party that welcomed former(and sometimes not-particularly repentant)Nazis into its parliamentary ranks. It was Kohl's party, the Christian Democrats. But that was ok, because they were "pro-Israel".

If he backed Israeli missile strikes on Tehran(strikes you KNOW would have to cause significant loss of innocent civilian life, because it goes without saying that Ahmadinejad wouldn't have isolated the targets Bibi wants to hit)you'd forgive him for anything he did in the war, even(I strongly suspect)if he'd been a guard at Belsen.

The poem was badly written and stretched too far, but it doesn't make Grass evil. It just makes him a not particularly good poet.

And the fact is, with the fourth-largest war machine in the world, Israel isn't in any danger from anybody, anywhere.

It's a bit hard to take seriously a man Riftaxe Apr 2012 #1
Grass was 13 in 1940 pscot Apr 2012 #2
When alexander was 13 he was hiring philosophers from around the then known world Riftaxe Apr 2012 #26
And how exactly do you know what was going on in his head at age 17? Crunchy Frog Apr 2012 #15
Hmm if i had to guess... Riftaxe Apr 2012 #27
No matter about the man, his message, (not this insane projection) is important. saras Apr 2012 #3
Clear, concise and to the point. Well said. TalkingDog Apr 2012 #4
Israel is endangering world peace, not Iran? That's what Grass is saying. shira Apr 2012 #5
The Israeli government...not "The Jews" Ken Burch Apr 2012 #8
No, the Jews. The anti-Israel bigots are against every Israeli gov't, not just Netanyahu's. shira Apr 2012 #10
The fact that it was Israeli governments of various parties STILL doesn't make it about "the Jews" Ken Burch Apr 2012 #11
You're changing the subject. Gunter Grass is a nazi claiming Israel is about to annihilate... shira Apr 2012 #12
No it is not a blood libel. Ken Burch Apr 2012 #19
He wrote that Israel will annihilate or snuff out the Iranian people w/ a first strike.... shira Apr 2012 #22
ROFL! Crunchy Frog Apr 2012 #25
Maybe it has something to do with every Israeli government following essentially the same policy. Crunchy Frog Apr 2012 #16
That's really something jimmie Apr 2012 #6
It's no difference between them having it and everybody else who has it. Ken Burch Apr 2012 #9
You didn't answer the question. n/t shira Apr 2012 #13
I did when I said it's wrong for anybody to have nukes. Ken Burch Apr 2012 #17
what is this "world peace"....thing? pelsar Apr 2012 #20
It's the Israeli government that has nukes, not "The Jews" Ken Burch Apr 2012 #7
So you believe, as Glass does, that Israel will nuke Iran preemptively, committing genocide? n/t shira Apr 2012 #14
I don't believe the result would be "genocide"(it's not like ALL Iranians would be killed) Ken Burch Apr 2012 #18
So you believe eventually "Bibi will nuke Iran preemptively". shira Apr 2012 #21
I just SAID it wouldn't lead to annihilation Ken Burch Apr 2012 #23
When did he disown the poem? oberliner Apr 2012 #24
So why do you believe Grass disowned the poem? For what reason(s) would he do so? n/t shira Apr 2012 #28
Obviously, that the poem had gone to far Ken Burch Apr 2012 #29
Gone too far, how? Where/when did he admit this? Also... shira Apr 2012 #30
Stop with the inquisition already! Ken Burch Apr 2012 #32
Can you link to where he said any of this? oberliner Apr 2012 #31
I am still researching, but may have been wrong about Ken Burch Apr 2012 #33
No there isn't oberliner Apr 2012 #34
Here's the problem again with Grass's poem... shira Apr 2012 #35
That's an insane interpretation Ken Burch Apr 2012 #36
Really? I must believe Bibi has to launch missiles at Iran? R U serious? shira Apr 2012 #37
Of course I don't want Iran to do anything to Israel Ken Burch Apr 2012 #38
So stop defending Grass, b/c he didn't write anything like that shira Apr 2012 #40
He just wrote a poem. Ken Burch Apr 2012 #41
He wrote an hysterical, ignorant, hateful screed.... shira Apr 2012 #42
Yes, Grass is against any state having nuclear capability. reorg Apr 2012 #44
It doesn't appear Grass is against Iran for having them... shira Apr 2012 #45
You must not have paid much attention reorg Apr 2012 #46
Please provide a link King_David Apr 2012 #39
Perhaps I can help reorg Apr 2012 #43
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