Peter Beinart: Obama Betrayed Ideals on Israel (excellent read)

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23. More BS on top of BS. Who do you think you're fooling?

Point us all to that specific Palestinian "proposal" from 2008, please. See, it doesn't exist. All you have are talking points, many that the PLO denies. I don't want articles from any news sources that deliberately distorted the record against Israel. Remember our exchange in which you were proven wrong WRT refugees? I'll dig it up if need be.

Now as to incoming PM's anulling past agreements, there were no agreements, were there? There was no reasonable counter-offer in each case. Ask yourself why and try answering that one here. All the PLO had to do in 2000 and 2008 was to specify exactly what they couldn't agree with and things they absolutely required. They could have demanded each time for others to help to bridge the gaps. This is assuming their counter-proposals were reasonable, which they're not considering RoR, which is a deal breaker the West would never tolerate. That's the reason they're incapable of going public with specific requirements. Of course they don't need to when they have western apologists and useful idiots making excuses for them and laying the blame instead on Israel.

Abbas made no counter-prosal to speak of. His position hasn't changed one bit since the Annapolis talks. These talks are a complete waste of time. NO ONE, including yourself and certainly not the Palestine Papers knows exactly what the PLO wants or what they could live with. Israel's positions are clear. The PLO is hiding something.

Yeah, definitely sticky this one. If we continue, it'll be fun.