Israel/Palestine

azurnoir

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10. while a 2 state solution is still the preferred option by most Israeli Jews and Palestinians

Wed Mar 7, 2012, 12:40 PM

Mar 2012

it is becoming a dimmer hope as time goes on the population of Jewish settlements has grown from 1993(Oslo) 111,600 to 2009 304,569

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settlement#Demographics

taking this into account along with Israels inability/unwillingness to 'evacuate' settlements we are left to wonder. In reading though this thread I see Oslo being spoken of as though it was meant as a permanent land division, it was not, we also see the misleading claim of no new settlements but that does not take into account the growth of outposts nor does it explain the nearly 3 fold population increase in the population of Jewish settlers who are now nibbling away at area B

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=461439

given these factors along with other I have not listed here time is running out

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AIPAC, Israel, and the Hypocritical Claim of Backing a Two-State Solution [View all] Purveyor Mar 2012 OP

At this point in history, a two-state solution is wishful thinking. redgreenandblue Mar 2012 #1

Too bad... holdencaufield Mar 2012 #2

The Jews aren't going away. The Arabs aren't either. redgreenandblue Mar 2012 #3

Israel... holdencaufield Mar 2012 #4

Wasn't the initial idea behind the partitioning to create "two states for two peoples"? redgreenandblue Mar 2012 #5

What's with this map nonsense and not enough territory for an independent Palestinian state? shira Mar 2012 #6

Would have, could have, should have. In the end it doesn't matter "whose fault" it was. redgreenandblue Mar 2012 #7

Obviously it does matter whose fault it is to you... shira Mar 2012 #12

I think that's an excellent summation. Pretty much exactly how I see the situation. Crunchy Frog Mar 2012 #8

really? Shaktimaan Mar 2012 #9

Until the late 80's, Israel anathemized anybody who dared suggest Ken Burch Mar 2012 #13

Two states was nice in theory back in the early/mid 80's but impractical... shira Mar 2012 #14

Israel had been occupying the West Bank since 1967 azurnoir Mar 2012 #16

So what? Again, what could Israel have offered in terms of a homeland... shira Mar 2012 #17

uh....freedom? Ken Burch Mar 2012 #21

uh.........what about land for peace? You're saying all you want... shira Mar 2012 #23

It was never legitimate to expect West Bank Palestinians to have to be Jordanians Ken Burch Mar 2012 #25

Another strawman. You must be talking to yourself b/c I never mentioned that... shira Mar 2012 #28

You were the one who just brought up Jordan. Ken Burch Mar 2012 #29

right. Shaktimaan Mar 2012 #31

Ken, I brought up Jordan and you made up a strawman rather than discuss this intelligently. n/t shira Mar 2012 #33

esse Jackson was driven out of politics for supporting what Netanyahu claims to support now... holdencaufield Mar 2012 #24

1000+plus delegates in 1988 was NOT an "abysmal failure" Ken Burch Mar 2012 #26

while a 2 state solution is still the preferred option by most Israeli Jews and Palestinians azurnoir Mar 2012 #10

Please, be real shira Mar 2012 #11

Olmerts offer lol do you really want to there-again? azurnoir Mar 2012 #15

Abbas definitely refused the offer. To this day, he still says the gaps were too wide... shira Mar 2012 #18

here in Olmerts own words azurnoir Mar 2012 #19

Oh sure, never formally rejected.... shira Mar 2012 #20

who would Abbas have made a "counter offer" to? Olmert resigned shortly after making the offer azurnoir Mar 2012 #22

To Olmert, immediately. Let the world know that, like Sadat, he is serious about peace... shira Mar 2012 #27

Olmert was a bit too busy resigning and and perhaps addressing corruption charges at the time azurnoir Mar 2012 #30

Abbas has never been commited to genuine peace. Deal with it. shira Mar 2012 #32

well that is your opinion but it would seem azurnoir Mar 2012 #34

I remain dedicated to a peaceful 2 state resolution, unlike yourself... shira Mar 2012 #35