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Alamuti Lotus

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50. I don't agree with the suggestion that it was only founded because of the war
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 02:32 AM
Feb 2013

Many of the influences that eventually came together because of the war had been building for decades, and those really deserve proper attention. I would suggest that the revolution and formation of the Islamic Republic in Iran had nearly as much of an effect on the formation of the party as had the barbarity of the zionist enemy (that is to say, I would hesitate to give the latter altogether too much--or rather, exclusive--credit in the matter). The period that was the build-up to the Revolution had a massive effect particularly on key players and future leaders like the Martyr Abbas Musawi, Sayyid Nasrallah, the Martyr Imad Mughniyah, and Muhammed Husayn Fadlallah(RA). Particularly in the period before the revolution, many key players from different regions had coalesced on the center of Najaf and exchanged powerful ideas and formed organizations that eventually had effects which stretched far beyond any borders -- figures in Lebanon such as the above named, also Khumayni(RA), Muhammed Baqir as-Sadr(RA), Muhammed Sadiq as-Sadr(RA), Allamah Tabatabai, Muhammed Baqir al-Hakim, Murtada Mutaheri, etc etc..

In particular, the formation of the Da'wa party in Iraq (which is the present governing party) was of great importance to the early history of Hizbu'llah. Lebanese & Kuwaiti members of the armed wing of the Da'wa party (Shahid as-Sadr, named and formed after the hanging of Muhammed Baqir as-Sadr by Saddam Husayn) was the first organized Shiite resistance to the zionist invaders in 1982 (in advance of the famous Ashura incident in Nabatiyeh that is usually credited as the end of collaboration and foundation of Shiite resistance--I find that this gives too much credence to the zionist myth that their invasion forces were ever greeted as anything but invaders), which around the same time was also making pro-Iraqi embassies and Iraqi Baathist officials disappear all over the mideast with a cunning use of car bombs. It's hard to believe that the party which destroyed the French, Kuwaiti, Iraqi, and US embassies in various countries is presently the ruling party of Iraq and tacitly collaborated with the occupation forces to achieve this dubious honor.

Besides the Revolution in Iran, the specific period in which the Party was founded also was the period which saw the violent break between the salafi-jihadi tendency and the al-Saud/Wahhabi authority, the killing of the collaborator Sadat and the radicalization of the Egyptian militants, the involvement of the Soviet Union in the western-backed civil war between the hardline Afghan Communist faction and the western-backed jihadists (a faction of which was also backed by revolutionary Iran, incidentally). So, it was a time where a lot of other powerful events were occurring. The disappearance of Musa Sadr (and this is a convoluted story to end all convoluted stories, which I actually don't fully understand) was another key factor, leaving a leadership vacuum in the community that early figures like Tufayli, Fadlallah, and Musawi stepped up and filled during the war. The corruption of Musa Sadr's AMAL movement by the Syrian invasion provided another important pillar in the formation of Hizbu'llah, as large sections of dissatisfied members of the AMAL movement became involved in the new movement.

It is of course true, however, that the zionist invasion greatly accelerated the bringing together of forces that by 1985-1987 formally became Hizbu'llah. The clumsy brutality and complete arrogance of the occupation forces provided a focal point for the otherwise divergent tendencies, and the result was their own defeat and the well-deserved fear that remains to this day for what has developed since that time.

As would be implied by the very incomplete, rather scattershot recitation of ideas above, I could go on like for quite some time. At this time I won't, so this post ends on a note of "eh..." that I tend to end quite a few posts on.

Hezbollah Unmasked [View all] oberliner Feb 2013 OP
Oh my. And here we thought they were such nice people. bemildred Feb 2013 #1
March 14, PSP slam Hezbollah activities in Syria oberliner Feb 2013 #2
Sorry, I feel too gloomy to chat about Syria. bemildred Feb 2013 #3
Understandable oberliner Feb 2013 #5
it's remarkable to see all these direct supporters of the Syrian armed opposition.. Alamuti Lotus Feb 2013 #37
How would you like to see this all play out? oberliner Feb 2013 #43
To be fair ... holdencaufield Feb 2013 #4
Sometimes they do oberliner Feb 2013 #6
Golly, I wonder if there's anything in the history of Hezbollah... delrem Feb 2013 #29
There's a lot actually oberliner Feb 2013 #30
Not sure the conviction of Hez for those crimes is honest. But it is self-serving. n/t delrem Feb 2013 #32
Its perfectly plausible that this was Hezbollah... shaayecanaan Feb 2013 #33
True. delrem Feb 2013 #34
Hez was "founded in response to Israel's war with Lebanon in 1982" delrem Feb 2013 #35
It was founded during the war oberliner Feb 2013 #46
Well, whatever the picky details delrem Feb 2013 #49
I don't agree with the suggestion that it was only founded because of the war Alamuti Lotus Feb 2013 #50
That's why I said I would defer to folks like you oberliner Feb 2013 #51
Aaaaaaand away we go! JoDog Feb 2013 #38
I suppose you want cheese with that?? delrem Feb 2013 #39
Thank you JoDog Feb 2013 #40
You had a point that wasn't a reflection on your own post? delrem Feb 2013 #41
Exactly JoDog Feb 2013 #42
Hey, have a nice day as well! delrem Feb 2013 #48
Bulgarian Revelations Explode Hezbollah Bombing “Hypothesis” Jefferson23 Feb 2013 #7
Gareth Porter, IPS News oberliner Feb 2013 #8
Porter is an American historian, among other specifics about his credentials..quite extenisve, Jefferson23 Feb 2013 #9
He is definitely none of those things oberliner Feb 2013 #12
He is none of what things? Jefferson23 Feb 2013 #13
But no work for the Heritage Foundation or the AEI. delrem Feb 2013 #14
lol, I guess or at least until oberliner clarifies. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2013 #15
Sorry - I had him mixed up with someone else oberliner Feb 2013 #21
Thanks, no problem. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2013 #23
re shaayecanaan Feb 2013 #17
Not in line with the conclusions the US and Israel wanted..what a shock. Jefferson23 Feb 2013 #19
Thank you the usual "Western" press seems not to know of such information or doesn't report it azurnoir Feb 2013 #20
Al Jazeera is the usual Western press oberliner Feb 2013 #22
Its good of you to say so... shaayecanaan Feb 2013 #24
I've never portrayed Al-Jazeera in that manner oberliner Feb 2013 #25
Do you see any difference between a group like Hezbollah and al-Qaida? shaayecanaan Feb 2013 #26
Indeed I do oberliner Feb 2013 #27
Do you think thats accurate? shaayecanaan Feb 2013 #31
A lot of leaders say a lot of things oberliner Feb 2013 #47
How has your view of Hezbollah changed due to the current war within Syria? shira Feb 2013 #28
Bulgaria's other crisis bemildred Feb 2013 #10
Bulgaria's prime minister is out, but austerity remains. What's next? bemildred Feb 2013 #11
National Security Advisor, eh? I'd never heard of the guy... shaayecanaan Feb 2013 #16
It's propaganda, Hezbollah is not trying to hide it's "nature". bemildred Feb 2013 #18
Did you see Zero Dark Thirty? oberliner Feb 2013 #44
the NYTimes has been running some damn silly pieces lately on the subject.. Alamuti Lotus Feb 2013 #36
What sources do you prefer? oberliner Feb 2013 #45
Huh? Hezbollah is already involved in the Syrian war. It's in the news.... shira Feb 2013 #52
according to who, precisely? Alamuti Lotus Feb 2013 #53
Here's the March 14 Party and the Progressive Socialist Party of Lebanon.... shira Feb 2013 #54
It's almost as if I was already aware of those statements.. Alamuti Lotus Feb 2013 #55
Thanks, I have not the patience for it. bemildred Mar 2013 #56
Libya made them arrogant, Iran makes them desperate Alamuti Lotus Mar 2013 #57
Yes. I keep thinking of WWI, but it's different too. bemildred Mar 2013 #58
I was just thinking yesterday.. Alamuti Lotus Mar 2013 #59
I think the WWI analogy is pretty adept Alamuti Lotus Mar 2013 #60
Yes, that's it. bemildred Mar 2013 #61
Jumblatt: “I Am With al-Nusra Front Against Assad” Alamuti Lotus Mar 2013 #62
Special report: Hezbollah role grows as Syrian rebels gain shira Mar 2013 #63
Hezbollah’s overt interference in Syria shira Mar 2013 #64
You're still not helping your case.. Alamuti Lotus Mar 2013 #66
Hezbollah takes a greater role in Syrian conflict shira Mar 2013 #65
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