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184. Agreed. There's no comparison b/w media attention on Tibet vs. Palestine. n/t

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Mon Feb 25, 2013, 05:49 PM

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A Chinese Life Is Worth Less Than a Middle Eastern Life [View all] shira Feb 2013 OP

Shira, your source is lying to you again. Scootaloo Feb 2013 #1

Wow, couldn't have said it better myself nauthiz Feb 2013 #2

Why doesn't Tibet get as much worldwide attention, advocacy, protests... as the Palestine? shira Feb 2013 #4

Maybe if you came up for air once in a while... Scootaloo Feb 2013 #8

I think shira's point is that Tibet situation is somewhat similar to Palestinian delrem Feb 2013 #9

No China is not building Chinese only roads but it is moving Chinese into Tibet azurnoir Feb 2013 #10

There's a huge but ineffectual movement to highlight the plight of Tibet under China's dictate. delrem Feb 2013 #86

all true points azurnoir Feb 2013 #87

Whatever Shira's point is, it could stand application of a bench grinder Scootaloo Feb 2013 #11

Still can't acknowledge there's a vast difference in advocacy WRT Tibet vs. IP, can you? n/t shira Feb 2013 #16

This message was self-deleted by its author Scootaloo Feb 2013 #22

There's really not Scootaloo Feb 2013 #23

Wow. There's not a disparity? Total Denial. Where are the Flytillas, BDS, UN non-stop action? shira Feb 2013 #27

You're really boinging all over the place, aren't you? Scootaloo Feb 2013 #35

One point from start to finish.... Not one UNGA resolution since 1965. shira Feb 2013 #42

Good! you did some research! Scootaloo Feb 2013 #49

So let's agree the UN isn't about HR's as much as much as it's about politics. shira Feb 2013 #51

Agree with the first, not so much the second Scootaloo Feb 2013 #55

So when the UN passes far more resolutions vs. Israel than many... shira Feb 2013 #57

Not necessarily. Scootaloo Feb 2013 #64

I agree the UN doesn't give a f-ck about sub-Saharan Africa. That it's deeply racist.... shira Feb 2013 #65

I just did a little research... Scootaloo Feb 2013 #69

Both sources are right. No contradiction.... shira Feb 2013 #70

Another word you don't understand is apartheid... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #77

So when the UN denies only Israel equal representation, what would you call that? shira Feb 2013 #89

It's not about what I call anything. It's about you using terms you don't understand... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #91

Well then, do you see anything wrong in both cases... shira Feb 2013 #93

What was that you said, Shira? You think you need to learn what the term apartheid means? Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #95

Looks like more deflection from you. Same thing you do in other threads.... shira Feb 2013 #97

Deflection would be you ignoring any attempts to correct things you get wrong... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #105

You're still deflecting & playing games w/ semantics and definitions. shira Feb 2013 #112

Do you refer to the Palestinians as Palestinians or R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #117

No, I'm not. I just don't follow you down all the rabbit holes you insist on going down in threads.. Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #146

So the UN doesn't allow Israel the same rights as other countries because..... shira Feb 2013 #150

So yr all sorted out now that the term apartheid doesn't apply to the UN? Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #154

Rubbish King_David Feb 2013 #100

My, oh my how you keep on beating that drum KingD! R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #101

Just content that your views on "Apartheid" and The Jewish State King_David Feb 2013 #107

I can not Thank you enough that comment azurnoir Feb 2013 #108

Israel is the state of Bnai Israel King_David Feb 2013 #109

yes we've gone over that one before azurnoir Feb 2013 #110

Needs negotiating King_David Feb 2013 #111

Wouldn't that make it the 75% Jewish state? R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #116

It is what it is King_David Feb 2013 #125

Perhaps the questions were too tough for you? R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #126

It was an adequate answer for "the question " nt King_David Feb 2013 #129

What a lousy answer lacking substance. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #131

We don't take orders. nt King_David Feb 2013 #134

What's wrong, KingD? R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #139

Would you rather we call it the 'Torture state?' R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #115

The USA" is not the world " King_David Feb 2013 #121

You're showing your 'tell' again. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #122

Ha ha ha King_David Feb 2013 #124

Not rubbish. Its misused in post #57 Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #104

LOL I got lost in this conversation thread nt King_David Feb 2013 #106

Shira's point is confusing. First, Tibetans aren't Chinese, as they will be first to tell you. leveymg Feb 2013 #173

Right on point 1. Not so much on points 2 and 3. n/t shira Feb 2013 #188

Nope. Tibet is far worse. Hans transferring in, over 1 million killed, monks in exile, tortured... shira Feb 2013 #15

I rarely agree with Shira, but please, please, please cali Feb 2013 #164

Agreed. There's no comparison b/w media attention on Tibet vs. Palestine. n/t shira Feb 2013 #184

and why do you think that is shira please explain in detail azurnoir Feb 2013 #185

1. You think 100 Palestinian igniting themselves would garner more International attention? shira Feb 2013 #3

Post removed Post removed Feb 2013 #26

Do a search on DU oberliner Feb 2013 #5

This message was self-deleted by its author Scootaloo Feb 2013 #6

Surprisingly, it was! Scootaloo Feb 2013 #7

What nonsense. All you're doing is deflecting.... shira Feb 2013 #12

No flotillas to Tibet? Scootaloo Feb 2013 #13

No Flytillas either. Got an excuse for that one? n/t shira Feb 2013 #14

This is your first foray into anything Tibet-related, isn't it? Scootaloo Feb 2013 #21

Boy, you're reaching. This is too easy. Tibet has airports, doesn't it? shira Feb 2013 #33

That's your counter-argument? Scootaloo Feb 2013 #34

Admit it. Shira has cleverly destroyed you with her amazing logical rebuttal... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #37

I can't be the only one who's been tempted to change coats... Scootaloo Feb 2013 #39

I did consider it last night, but any post doing that would get hidden swiftly... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #76

"most reliable way to get there is to drive west, from some other part of china. " King_David Feb 2013 #43

China occupies Tibet and it's seen as being part of China. Why? n/t Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #73

The argument isn't just about Tibet having an airport. Left/Right wing activists.... shira Feb 2013 #67

But you were demanding flotillas and flytillas head there! Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #75

Hey! Give shira a break! delrem Feb 2013 #83

If I had a dollar for every bit of Godwinising I've seen, I'd be a multimillionaire... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #85

Flotillas, Flytillas, BDS, UN resolutions... Something, anything. shira Feb 2013 #90

Like others here, I'm thinking yr sudden interest in Tibet is just a bit fake... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #92

The point is that zealoted groups obsessed about Israel (FreeGaza, BDS, ISM, UNHRC, CodePink) shira Feb 2013 #94

I'm not understanding why you said 'you guys' then... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #96

I didn't say "you guys" in the post you're responding to. That's just another deflection.... shira Feb 2013 #98

No, you said it two posts before, and I started asking what the hell you meant by it... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #103

The point about Israel = Nazis is that it's used an awful lot WRT Israel.... shira Feb 2013 #113

How would you know no-one has ever Godwinised when it comes to China? Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #145

There are more Dalai Lama = Nazi comparisons in google.... shira Feb 2013 #148

Shira: I never claimed no one has ever Godwinized WRT China, only that it generally doesn't happen.' Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #152

The Godwinizing is so rare WRT China, it's close to never.... shira Feb 2013 #153

But you said repeatedly it NEVER happened. Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #155

The China = Nazi comparison is generally not made. It's rare..... shira Feb 2013 #157

But you said it was NEVER made, Shira. Not once, but several times... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #158

I was so, so wrong. I should've known better. Perhaps you can find.... shira Feb 2013 #159

No need to get sarcastic, Shira.... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #160

I didn't think you'd answer the question. All you have are deflections. shira Feb 2013 #161

Shira, another word yr misuing is 'deflection'... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #162

It means a change in direction. Pretty much your modus operandi here. shira Feb 2013 #163

Nah, I've been sticking real close to talking about the claim you made... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #165

So now that you know what I mean, why not answer? I thought you wanted civil.... shira Feb 2013 #166

Actually, I've got no idea what you mean. You seem to type things you later say mean something else. Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #167

Psssst. You haven't mentioned hot air balloons. Change the subject again. Mention hot air balloons. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #141

This is what I mean by silly back-and-forth oberliner Feb 2013 #143

No, this is just called lulz, Oberiner. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #144

What's a mench? oberliner Feb 2013 #174

"This is what I mean by silly back-and-forth" R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #176

Lulz is all they have. When they know they're wrong, they deflect. shira Feb 2013 #156

No. The point is that you were caught dead to rights. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #18

Where are the Flytilla folks? BDS? The UN special emergency sessions? Endless op-eds.... shira Feb 2013 #24

I believe that you have become the Flytilla. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #25

You're the humanist b/w the 2 of us. Maybe you should be advocating for a Flytilla, BDS.... shira Feb 2013 #32

So you're not a humanist? R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #142

You're the one proudly boasting with lulz that you are.... shira Feb 2013 #149

My question was who killed the 20,000 Palestinians. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #175

Israel murdered 20K Palestinians outright? That includes Hamas, 1948 war...? shira Feb 2013 #177

I asked you a question outright. That 20k number was yours. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #179

So now 20K weren't murdered? And "we" know Sharon was an accessory to murder? shira Feb 2013 #180

My question was who killed the 20,000 Palestinians? Who killed them? R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #181

You think when Israel kills militants/terrorists, it's murder? shira Feb 2013 #182

That 20k number was yours. You own it. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #183

An extraordinary excellent post. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2013 #17

+ Infinity R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #19

Good stuff oberliner Feb 2013 #44

Post removed Post removed Sep 2013 #189

Ronn Torossian Jefferson23 Feb 2013 #20

While there is so much talk about about "shenanigans" azurnoir Feb 2013 #28

What country is Tibet in? oberliner Feb 2013 #29

Not of the Tibetans had anything to say about it. pangaia Feb 2013 #30

Tibet is not part of China anymore than West Bank/Palestine is Israel azurnoir Feb 2013 #31

Careful, you'll confuse him. Scootaloo Feb 2013 #36

Oh those "Zionists" King_David Feb 2013 #45

Find me an argument in support of China's occupation of Tibet that isn't mirrored by Zionists Scootaloo Feb 2013 #46

Tell me which is worse to you? China or Israel's occupation? And why. n/t shira Feb 2013 #63

I'm pretty sure Anti Zionist is an absolute King_David Feb 2013 #72

Huh? Aren't the pro-Israeli ones in this thread Zionists? Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #74

Thats A hidden post King_David Feb 2013 #78

Did you read that hidden post? Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #79

I was talking about another posters many antiZionist King_David Feb 2013 #80

I think some here just like flinging round accusations of anti-Zionism.. Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #81

Search for the term " unicorn" King_David Feb 2013 #82

I read that thread. Yr talking about Scoot so there's no need to be coy... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #84

That post was deservedly hidden by a Jury King_David Feb 2013 #99

All dissenting voices must be silenced, Dave? Scootaloo Feb 2013 #120

When it comes to Anti Zionist King_David Feb 2013 #123

Are you even trying to make a point? Scootaloo Feb 2013 #127

As much as your "point" was nt King_David Feb 2013 #128

My point is, you want dissenting voices silenced so only your position can be heard Scootaloo Feb 2013 #130

I'm getting the same. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #132

Your ridiculois point was Democratic Party King_David Feb 2013 #133

So you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. Gotcha. Scootaloo Feb 2013 #135

AntiZionism in the USA is considered King_David Feb 2013 #136

Ah-huh. I have something for you, Dave... Scootaloo Feb 2013 #137

Who is Dave? oberliner Feb 2013 #138

... Scootaloo Feb 2013 #140

Extremists on the extreme right and on the extreme left King_David Feb 2013 #147

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Tibetans don't identify as Chinese.... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #38

There is actually quite a lot of active international opposition to the Tibet occupation LeftishBrit Feb 2013 #40

Not one UN resolution since 1965.... shira Feb 2013 #41

No matter how hard you whine, reality is not going to alter for you. Scootaloo Feb 2013 #47

Why isn't there even a fraction as much concern for Tibet as there is Palestine? shira Feb 2013 #50

I'm not pretending; it really does not exist Scootaloo Feb 2013 #52

So why hail the the UN when it's politically compromised and bigoted? shira Feb 2013 #54

You're boinging again. Scootaloo Feb 2013 #59

That's all you can say about the UN? It's imperfect? On human rights, it's beyond odious... shira Feb 2013 #61

Yes, it's imperfect Scootaloo Feb 2013 #66

A UN that is deeply racist against sub-Saharan Africa, electing Libya, Cuba, Syria..... shira Feb 2013 #68

That is in fact exactly how I describe Israel Scootaloo Feb 2013 #71

So Israel is imperfect? Like the UN, USA, Saudi Arabia? n/t shira Feb 2013 #88

Are you having trouble understanding what I just told you? n/t Scootaloo Feb 2013 #118

Well yeah, that's why I asked those questions. n/t shira Feb 2013 #151

But I just SAID that's what I think Scootaloo Feb 2013 #186

Ala kysy kuolleilta, he sanoivat, Ambulanssikuskitar! R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #119

You are assuming this, because you only have your antennae out for criticism of Israel LeftishBrit Feb 2013 #102

If 100 Palestinians self-immolate demanding their rights, do you expect.... shira Feb 2013 #114

An completely dishonest representation of when and how often the UN allegedly Jefferson23 Feb 2013 #48

So what are the agony aunts, renders of garments, and hand wringers doing since 1965....? shira Feb 2013 #53

You may believe that if you post ridiculous responses like this enough you'll become Jefferson23 Feb 2013 #56

Imagine the outrage and gnashing of teeth had 100 Palestinians self-combusted.... shira Feb 2013 #58

If you like, re-read what I already stated and the link. Jefferson23 Feb 2013 #60

Oh? You answered this? Which post number, please? n/t shira Feb 2013 #62

Recced coz this is one of the funniest threads I've seen in ages! Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #168

Good. In the future, it'll remind you that your favorite advocacy groups.... shira Feb 2013 #169

I don't play favourites, and it's not them who is zealoted and obsessive... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #170

If the Lefty types you know and respect support Tibet.... shira Feb 2013 #171

WTF? My friends don't make Nazi comparisons... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #172

Friends like the ISM, etc. Organizations you used to support.... shira Feb 2013 #178

Again WTF?? They're not my friends. Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #187