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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
26. Netanyahu made his "support" of a two-state solution meaningless
Tue Jan 22, 2013, 10:24 PM
Jan 2013

by insisting on a "security concept&quot including Israeli troops on EVERY SIDE of a Palestinian state, total Israeli control of water rights and Palestinian airspace, and the preservation of all the major settlement blocs within current Palestinian territory)that would make a Palestinian state impossible. With that "security concept" in place(and I've never heard you denounce it), there'd be virtually nothing LEFT to create Palestine on or with-and any Palestinian leadership that ever agreed to such terms would be doomed to an overthrow, since that leadership would have no chance of giving Palestinians any life at all with those terms, which would then mean that the war would just start up all over again, all of which would achieve...well, WHAT, exactly?

BTW, the people who support Palestinian self-determination can't be assumed to be endorsing Abbas' positions on gays or anything else(there's nothing they could do to change any of THOSE positions of Abbas and the PA anyhow and you know it). They simply recognize that those issues, in this context, are nothing but distractions...excuses meant to give the Israelis a reason to preserve the inherently unjust status quo.

In the I/P issue, the terms "Left" and "Right" are used to refer to the question of whether you support self-determination for the people of Palestine...the question of whether Israel or Palestine have the better stance on LGBT rights is irrelevant, since Israel and Palestine aren't in competition with each other in some kind of Democracy Olympics. The fact that it may be easier to be gay in Haifa than in Ramallah is beside the point...because that has nothing to do with the reasons for continuing the military occupation of Palestine.

What will be forty-six years(in June) of Israeli occupation of the West Bank haven't brought any liberalism, secularism, or humanism to Palestinian life...nor were they intended to. Military occupations are never about making a country or a people liberal(assuming that the Israeli government and military EVER genuinely cared about liberalism or democracy in the Arab world). The sole rationale for that occupation was to break the Palestinian people and get them to accept living at the mercy of the Israeli army as their permanent station in life...unless they're willing to move to another country.

"70 books I still haven't published" Scootaloo Jan 2013 #1
You'd think it might occur to him to start a PA publishing house Ken Burch Jan 2013 #14
Hasn't EVERYONE written vampire fiction, though? Scootaloo Jan 2013 #16
Well, not St. Paul... Ken Burch Jan 2013 #21
Report: Abbas’ Holocaust-Denial Dissertation Widely-Taught in PA, zellie Jan 2013 #2
Stop. We need to keep pretending he's moderate, peace is possible.... shira Jan 2013 #4
Abbas a moderate? Laughable. zellie Jan 2013 #11
Abbas is always portrayed as moderate. Bibi an extreme rightwing hawk.... shira Jan 2013 #13
Abbas isn't building illegal settlements in Israel. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #17
No, he's just pro-terror vs. innocents. That's all... shira Jan 2013 #23
Netanyahu made his "support" of a two-state solution meaningless Ken Burch Jan 2013 #26
The point is Abbas is in no way moderate. You can't defend that label. shira Jan 2013 #28
He recognizes Israel's right to exist, and has been willing to negotiate. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #31
He signed a piece of paper. So what? And being more moderate than Hamas.... shira Jan 2013 #32
The thing is, Abbas is the best possible partner you're going to get...and he has to be part of it. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #34
You're assuming settlements and borders are the main sticking points.... shira Jan 2013 #35
Those are massively important things to ALL Palestnians...why would they NOT be? Ken Burch Jan 2013 #36
"Israel could offer all YOU are demanding..." R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #37
What's the ALTERNATIVE to negotiations with the PA? Ken Burch Jan 2013 #15
Why pretend Abbas wants a peace deal? n/t shira Jan 2013 #24
Perhaps Abbas and Naftali Bennett can go on a comedy tour together. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #3
is bennett the leader of Israel? Mosby Jan 2013 #5
Don't you just love all the morally equivalent FAILS we see here all the time? shira Jan 2013 #6
Tell us again how Israel has a right to the West bank, my friend. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #8
I won't help you derail this thread. Why don't u stick to the topic rather than deflect to Bennett? shira Jan 2013 #9
Bennett is WORSE than Abbas. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #19
Really? Abbas just told 150,000 Syrian Palestinians it's better.... shira Jan 2013 #25
Yes. Bennett supports making Palestine Arabrein. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #38
"None of the Palestinian leaders would be absolutely rigig on full physical RoR" shira Jan 2013 #39
The problem is, you're demanding that they give up ANY RoR as a precondition. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #40
"I won't help you derail this thread." R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #27
Abbas just said Syrian Palestinians are better off dead than renouncing RoR.... shira Jan 2013 #29
Shira, I know that it is painfully dificult for you. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #33
He may be someday. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #7
Israelis are provoking Muslims? Do tell... shira Jan 2013 #10
Answer: They're Jews. nt. zellie Jan 2013 #12
trick question..."Israelis" couldn't provoke anybody in 1929... Ken Burch Jan 2013 #20
I'm sorry... Shaktimaan Feb 2013 #41
In Segev's "One Palestine, Complete" Ken Burch Feb 2013 #42
No there isn't oberliner Feb 2013 #43
I'll reread, but was sure I'd read of that. n/t. Ken Burch Feb 2013 #46
If you find what you mean, tell me the page oberliner Feb 2013 #49
The Mufti was appointed by the British Scootaloo Jan 2013 #22
In fact, the Mufti LOST badly in the advisory ballot of Palestinians as to who should get the job Ken Burch Feb 2013 #47
Are you answering your own question? If you wish to converse with yourself R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #30
Bennett will probably be in the next Cabinet...possibly as foreign minister. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #18
No he won't oberliner Feb 2013 #44
He was proposing to force the Arabs out of Palestine. Ken Burch Feb 2013 #45
No he wasn't oberliner Feb 2013 #48
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