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delrem

(9,688 posts)
50. Good, then you disagree with the statement that:
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 06:57 PM
Dec 2012

"anyone who supports the right of return ...., either wants the Jewish state to not exist or simply ignores the reality that RoR will necessarily end the Jewish state." - aranthus

Because whether or not the incumbent Israeli politicians (and these are mere humans, you know, who *will* be replaced with others having different ideas) recognize the RoR that international law states that Palestinian refugees *ought* to have and so *do* have, this has nothing whatever to do with the fact that Israeli law defines Jewish Israelis to be a *nation* within Israel.

You may not recognize the O'Reilly-like fears expressed in your statement, but perhaps you can recognize that your statement is false and that your fears have nothing to do with the fact that Jewish Israelis compose an Israeli nationality. Like O'Reilly's fears, yours are simply fears of "the other".

PS: I don't like the term "race" to describe groups or communities of people. It isn't a scientific term, and it is easily twisted to just about any rhetorical purpose. For this reason I actually like your focus on the term 'nationality' to describe the status of the Jewish community within Israel, since as such this term is defined by laws and has an exactitude. However, as such it does not apply of the Jewish diaspora at large, except, again, as defined by Israeli laws, which for historical reasons give that community special allowances w.r.t. immigration and route to citizenship. But again, these matters have nothing whatever to do with the internationally recognized RoR for Palestinian refugees (or any refugees from the horrors of war).

Not if Israel turns the settlements over to the Palestinians intact. maxsolomon Dec 2012 #1
Why? holdencaufield Dec 2012 #2
Peace gesture. maxsolomon Dec 2012 #3
The bulldozing actually is a good thing--it allows for the space to be planned geek tragedy Dec 2012 #4
They left the Greenhouses in Gaza intact, King_David Dec 2012 #5
Most were in fact destroyed by the settlers Scootaloo Dec 2012 #13
Exactly right. The settlements in Gaza did not fit the needs of the Palestinian community. The PA Dick Dastardly Dec 2012 #7
who decided on that the settlements being bulldozed? azurnoir Dec 2012 #8
It was by agreement between Israel and the Palestinians that the homes would be bulldozed Dick Dastardly Dec 2012 #24
ah yeah right that was why it 's called Israel's UNILATERAL disengagement Plan azurnoir Dec 2012 #26
This is basically a rewrite of one of those CAMERA/FLAME ads... Ken Burch Dec 2012 #6
There is no such meme oberliner Dec 2012 #9
I read what was posted in the OP Ken Burch Dec 2012 #10
No paywall here oberliner Dec 2012 #11
It did the exact same thing to me azurnoir Dec 2012 #12
Didn't google too well, I guess. Scootaloo Dec 2012 #14
I googled "CAMERA/FLAME" as one entity. oberliner Dec 2012 #16
here are the links to CAMERA and FLAME azurnoir Dec 2012 #15
See my response above oberliner Dec 2012 #17
OK, it was only around since 1982...sorry about that one. Ken Burch Dec 2012 #19
If you haven't done so already, check your pm's. Ken Burch Dec 2012 #20
Here are explanations of what CAMERA and FLAME are about... Ken Burch Dec 2012 #18
Palestinians are Israel's Native Americans. Pryderi Dec 2012 #21
Not exactly. aranthus Dec 2012 #23
thank you for that explanation however azurnoir Dec 2012 #25
Much of your post is factually wrong. aranthus Dec 2012 #31
ah I see I was wondering if you were depending on the fact that Arab and Palestinian were modern coi azurnoir Dec 2012 #32
Israel is the Jewish state. aranthus Dec 2012 #34
that Israel defines it self as the Jewish State is fine however azurnoir Dec 2012 #35
No, everyone is required to accept Israel's definition of itself. aranthus Dec 2012 #36
once again I have no problem accepting France as France or Israel as Israel azurnoir Dec 2012 #37
No you're not. aranthus Dec 2012 #39
lol I said nothing about Israel becoming an Arab majority state azurnoir Dec 2012 #40
If you're for RoR like Hamas, the PLO, Syria, Iran.... shira Dec 2012 #41
lovely PLO, Iran, Hamas as though they'r all the same azurnoir Dec 2012 #42
What kind of RoR are you in favor of? n/t shira Dec 2012 #43
But that is the purpose and effect of RoR. aranthus Dec 2012 #44
oh so that's the purpose is it to over run Israel with Arabs? azurnoir Dec 2012 #46
From an actual Arab leader aranthus Dec 2012 #48
I don't know of any anti-zios here who are against RoR..... shira Dec 2012 #53
I think it's the other way around. aranthus Jan 2013 #67
Good point. AFAIK, they're perfectly okay with the Arab League's plan.... shira Jan 2013 #70
Shades of Bill O'Reilly delrem Dec 2012 #38
You do realize that this has nothing to do with Israel, right? aranthus Dec 2012 #45
whooosh! nt delrem Dec 2012 #47
Yeah, I thought it would go over your head, so I'll explain. aranthus Dec 2012 #49
Good, then you disagree with the statement that: delrem Dec 2012 #50
Your statement doesn't follow from mine. aranthus Dec 2012 #51
You keep changing the goal-posts, to evade the import of your own beliefs. delrem Dec 2012 #52
No, I haven't changed anything. aranthus Dec 2012 #54
No. You quite simply don't understand the concept delrem Dec 2012 #56
Actually it's you who doesn't recognize the concept. aranthus Jan 2013 #66
delrem, what kind of state will result in Israel after RoR and an Arab majority? shira Dec 2012 #55
I'm not advocating any kind of state, delrem Dec 2012 #57
That's a cop-out. And you're also wrong wrt IHL. n/t shira Dec 2012 #58
You think this is 'Truth or Dare'? delrem Dec 2012 #59
Racial bias? You think the Palestinians are a race? shira Dec 2012 #60
Now, that isn't what I said, is it? delrem Dec 2012 #61
So what's this racial bias you're writing about? n/t shira Dec 2012 #62
I wrote "racial basis", not "racial bias". delrem Jan 2013 #63
Ah, I see. The very basis for a Jewish homeland... shira Jan 2013 #64
ethnic cleansing is an abomination delrem Jan 2013 #65
It was a war, not ethnic cleansing. WW2 made millions of refugees.... shira Jan 2013 #68
I repeat, ethnic cleansing is an abomination, delrem Jan 2013 #69
It wasn't ethnic cleansing. Here's Benny Morris.... shira Jan 2013 #71
Again, ethnic cleansing is an abomination delrem Jan 2013 #72
Let's assume it is ethnic cleansing. Morris says 2/3 of all refugees.... shira Jan 2013 #73
Again, ethnic cleansing is an abomination delrem Jan 2013 #74
Your solution is a far greater abomination. n/t shira Jan 2013 #75
So contrary to what you claimed delrem Jan 2013 #77
Even assuming that I support/justify ethnic cleansing.... shira Jan 2013 #79
Thank you for the discussion. delrem Jan 2013 #80
Well said, because it is ethnic cleansing fascisthunter Jan 2013 #78
Jewish land? oberliner Dec 2012 #33
The palestinians have done alot to advance the peace process.... zellie Dec 2012 #22
Well, restricting their demand to only getting 20%... regnaD kciN Dec 2012 #27
well when you remember let us know okay? n/t azurnoir Dec 2012 #28
"I CAN think of anything right now"? Ken Burch Dec 2012 #29
"1 n/t azurnoir Dec 2012 #30
lol... okeedokee... let me take something from you fascisthunter Jan 2013 #76
What was taken? And from whom? shira Jan 2013 #81
I have never understood this. aranthus Jan 2013 #82
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