Israel/Palestine
In reply to the discussion: On Eve of Ceasefire, Hamas Celebrates Bus Explosion with Sweet Cakes [View all]R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)I'm sure that if I was to include more of "those people" and their quotes on Israeli apartheid the partisans would cluck their tongue in unison and tell me why they were all irrelevant.
The funny thing is that the language that I am getting from the apology brigade was that nobody was calling Israel's actions apartheid, but when I produce a few examples of apartheid being used by others to define Israel the narrative that they try to push is that they are either irrelevant or discredited.
Carter Irrelevant? Wrong.
The UN irrelevant? Wrong.
I've been told in this forum that poll after poll a majority of Americans support Israel no matter what. Now I am being told that polls don't matter...when they portray Israel in less than stellar fashion? Yes I am actually laughing.
Strange quote here.
Left out of the discussion is the reality that if we are to label Israel as being an apartheid state then that would mean that most states in the world are apartheid nations as well.
Really? This is a Fox News style talking point.
This resembles the false equivalency card where the American press says that both Republicans and Democrats do it so the Dems and Repubs are the same...except they are not. The difference is that, again and for the thousandth time, that Israel receives $$ from the USA where these other unnamed countries may not...probably don't and that as a Big DEE Democracy that they shouldn't be doing this at all.
Strange that on one hand you try to suggest that
1) The poll is wrong somehow. Poor you.
2) The other parties are discredited just because partisans say so.
3) Other states are guilty of what you are accusing Israel of so what's the big problem?
From the article that you tried to discredit.
http://www.theage.com.au/world/israelis-back-discrimination-against-arabs-poll-20121024-2844m.html
When specifically questioned on whether there is apartheid in Israel, 58 per cent said there was of those, 39 per cent said apartheid existed "in some respects" and 19 per cent said it existed "in many respects". Thirty-one per cent believed there was no apartheid.
So do you or others plan on discrediting or marginalizing these Israelis?