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R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
51. A few thoughts on that.
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 09:36 PM
Nov 2012

I'm sure that if I was to include more of "those people" and their quotes on Israeli apartheid the partisans would cluck their tongue in unison and tell me why they were all irrelevant.

The funny thing is that the language that I am getting from the apology brigade was that nobody was calling Israel's actions apartheid, but when I produce a few examples of apartheid being used by others to define Israel the narrative that they try to push is that they are either irrelevant or discredited.

Carter Irrelevant? Wrong.

The UN irrelevant? Wrong.

I've been told in this forum that poll after poll a majority of Americans support Israel no matter what. Now I am being told that polls don't matter...when they portray Israel in less than stellar fashion? Yes I am actually laughing.


Strange quote here.
Left out of the discussion is the reality that if we are to label Israel as being an apartheid state then that would mean that most states in the world are apartheid nations as well.

Really? This is a Fox News style talking point.

This resembles the false equivalency card where the American press says that both Republicans and Democrats do it so the Dems and Repubs are the same...except they are not. The difference is that, again and for the thousandth time, that Israel receives $$ from the USA where these other unnamed countries may not...probably don't and that as a Big DEE Democracy that they shouldn't be doing this at all.

Strange that on one hand you try to suggest that

1) The poll is wrong somehow. Poor you.

2) The other parties are discredited just because partisans say so.

3) Other states are guilty of what you are accusing Israel of so what's the big problem?


From the article that you tried to discredit.
http://www.theage.com.au/world/israelis-back-discrimination-against-arabs-poll-20121024-2844m.html

When specifically questioned on whether there is apartheid in Israel, 58 per cent said there wasof those, 39 per cent said apartheid existed "in some respects" and 19 per cent said it existed "in many respects". Thirty-one per cent believed there was no apartheid.

So do you or others plan on discrediting or marginalizing these Israelis?

what cease fire? azurnoir Nov 2012 #1
All they are saying... demokatgurrl Nov 2012 #2
Hamas, the parade of fools GitRDun Nov 2012 #3
Bibi didn't want a ceasefire. Neither did many in Hamas. morningfog Nov 2012 #4
A terrible incident but let's get this in proportion........ kayecy Nov 2012 #5
The difference b/w this and IDF operations is this was intentional murder. shira Nov 2012 #13
True, but so far you have no proof it was Hamas..... kayecy Nov 2012 #32
The suicide bombing on the bus was intentional murder... shira Nov 2012 #36
And the ten family members who Israel callously killed?....... kayecy Nov 2012 #37
They're al-Qassam Brigades shira Nov 2012 #38
Can't you read your own references?...... kayecy Nov 2012 #43
The Police are mostly al-Qassam Brigades.... shira Nov 2012 #45
OK, so some Hamas policemen are also militants..... kayecy Nov 2012 #47
JewishPress.com? oberliner Nov 2012 #6
What the hell difference does it make? eom Purveyor Nov 2012 #7
It's a pretty right wing source. oberliner Nov 2012 #8
I don't vet every news site that I post from nor will I start. This article showed up on Google Purveyor Nov 2012 #9
That's why I asked if you were a fan of the site oberliner Nov 2012 #10
I posted it because I thought Hamas's display is deplorable. eom Purveyor Nov 2012 #11
+1. n/t shira Nov 2012 #14
Couldn't find a progressive source showcasing that fact oberliner Nov 2012 #16
Why should I go to such effort, just to please YOU? The article I posted was just fine and I Purveyor Nov 2012 #17
It shouldn't take any effort oberliner Nov 2012 #18
Don't know, don't care. I post relevant and timely articles as I find them and peruse the article Purveyor Nov 2012 #19
perhap you would be kind enough to make a list of sources that you feel permissable azurnoir Nov 2012 #29
What you're doing there ... holdencaufield Nov 2012 #21
LOL. n/t shira Nov 2012 #22
Reuters: Tel Aviv bus hit by bomb; Hamas celebrates shira Nov 2012 #23
That article was written by an Israeli oberliner Nov 2012 #24
Every country has their right wingnuts. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #12
What about Apartheid? nt King_David Nov 2012 #20
On Israeli Aprtheid R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #25
The Apartheid state or entity... King_David Nov 2012 #30
And here we go DUers. King D is given content and fact. What does he do? R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #31
Who is wrong? Shaktimaan Nov 2012 #50
A few thoughts on that. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #51
My response. Shaktimaan Nov 2012 #52
I don't need to twist your words when they do it so well all by themselves. ;) R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #53
You really don't get it. Shaktimaan Nov 2012 #54
The title Ash_F Nov 2012 #33
It may be hard to swallow, but this is what Hamas is about... shira Nov 2012 #15
God I've had enough.................................. jeggus Nov 2012 #26
...and you've been here, like how long? PCIntern Nov 2012 #27
I hear you. I've had enough of Hamas apologists and supporters here.... shira Nov 2012 #28
Anything anything at all to justify murder aandegoons Nov 2012 #34
What do you think of Hamas using the Gazan population as a human shield? n/t shira Nov 2012 #35
Nothing aandegoons Nov 2012 #39
Nothing is the usual response from apologists & supporters of Hamas shira Nov 2012 #40
My point is is Israel is killing innocent people. aandegoons Nov 2012 #41
Israel is also more careful WRT civilians during combat.... shira Nov 2012 #42
Well one day you will be done. aandegoons Nov 2012 #44
You're US Navy, right? What do you think the USA would do with >10,000 rockets.... shira Nov 2012 #46
They murder and use terror just like Israel. aandegoons Nov 2012 #48
I wish they were like Israel. They wouldn't be victimizing gays, women, christians.... shira Nov 2012 #49
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