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pelsar

(12,283 posts)
39. a few facts for the foolish, ignorent and those who dont like the facts:
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:02 AM
Nov 2012

Hamas is now using military grade missiles..that have guidance systems. the missiles are shot from civilian areas, from "buried areas" etc (just about anywhere)

the iron dome is not a PR exercise but an excellent but not perfect defense measure

additional measures are warning systems, hardened shelters etc. that protect the civilian population
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hamas targets schools during the hours of entering and exiting when most of the parents and kids are present, they have it hospitals as per the guidence system of the missles permit as well as a other apt buildings.

hamas has been shooting at israeli almost daily for the last years: a mortar here, a few sniper shots there a missle now and then
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there wil be those that defend hamas for targeting civilians, will claim the missiles are nothing more than fire crackers, have hurt a few.... and therefore its "ok" or that israel shooting back with larger bombs is really the bad guy..or at best will claim its the same thing....

its actually nothing more than using a second, lower standard for the Palestinians

Time to thank Amir Peretz Mosby Nov 2012 #1
You can boast all you want in trade shows and magazines Doc_Technical Nov 2012 #2
no, Fajr-5 is a game changer Alamuti Lotus Nov 2012 #3
Iron Dome has a 90% success rate on Missiles it has targeted Kurska Nov 2012 #4
Defence contractors must love this kind of gullibility... shaayecanaan Nov 2012 #5
There are a couple problems with your logic here Kurska Nov 2012 #6
That is complete and utter nonsense... shaayecanaan Nov 2012 #8
Excuse me, but rockets are a type of engine that is often used on missles Kurska Nov 2012 #13
Rockets are unguided, missiles are not... shaayecanaan Nov 2012 #17
I'm sorry but that just isn't true. Kurska Nov 2012 #23
Its perfectly true shaayecanaan Nov 2012 #26
Iron Dome's failure has nothing to do with intercept rates. It has to do with the fact that Israel leveymg Nov 2012 #28
Israel did not overreact nor did it use disproportionate force. Dick Dastardly Nov 2012 #53
How can millions of citizens be under constant threat from hundreds of tiny rockets? leveymg Nov 2012 #61
This is a semantics, I linked the dictionary you linked a random website. Kurska Nov 2012 #30
Exactly what is your argument? shaayecanaan Nov 2012 #31
My arguement is attrition rates is a bad measure of whether Iron Dome is effective. Kurska Nov 2012 #47
Attrition rates are the only measure of efficacy... shaayecanaan Nov 2012 #51
How does a cause and effect relationship change the need to separate variables? Kurska Nov 2012 #56
You're the one claiming 90% efficacy... shaayecanaan Nov 2012 #60
IDF claimed 88% efficacy for Iron Dome in a statement a few days ago. leveymg Nov 2012 #62
Patriot claimed 100% efficacy in the last Iraq war shaayecanaan Nov 2012 #64
So where are all the dead Israelis? hack89 Nov 2012 #7
You're disappointed at the lack of dead Jews? Alamuti Lotus Nov 2012 #9
If the Fajr-5 was a true game changer hack89 Nov 2012 #10
while that was a serious posting... Alamuti Lotus Nov 2012 #11
" Israeli terrorism" - OK. nt hack89 Nov 2012 #14
Personally, I think that if the second Lebanon war proved anything... shaayecanaan Nov 2012 #12
That's the beauty of Iron Dome hack89 Nov 2012 #15
No it doesnt shaayecanaan Nov 2012 #20
Imagine how bad things would be in Gaza right now hack89 Nov 2012 #24
Please elaborate Alamuti Lotus Nov 2012 #25
There would have been a ground war hack89 Nov 2012 #33
"Hundreds of dead Israelis" is bullshit shaayecanaan Nov 2012 #29
Wasn't the point of Hamas getting bigger, better, longer range weapons hack89 Nov 2012 #34
No... shaayecanaan Nov 2012 #50
I predict by January, the US Congress (with China $$$) will write another check to bolster and Purveyor Nov 2012 #16
Without this system, the death toll would be higher on both sides.... shira Nov 2012 #18
As long as israel pays for it, go for it but don't come begging to the US taxpayer for the costs. nt Purveyor Nov 2012 #19
Too late nt shaayecanaan Nov 2012 #21
Oh they'll be a coming, at 100K a pop, and from what I see they are popping off about 4-5 per Purveyor Nov 2012 #22
Pop rockets? You impeach your self with such nonsense ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #46
Gotta love apologists for Hamas war crimes. n/t shira Nov 2012 #59
As much as some apologize for the 'apartheid' state of israel, indeed! eom Purveyor Nov 2012 #66
Israel-Gaza Ceasefire Comes with Pledge from Obama to Seek More Defense Aid for Israel Purveyor Nov 2012 #65
I am glad that this exists, I wish it existed for the people of Gaza to protect the civilians. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #27
The attacks on Gaza can be easily stopped hack89 Nov 2012 #32
And then the economic blockade, overflights, assassinations, killing of shepherds will stop?....n/t kayecy Nov 2012 #35
Once Hamas shows it can control the militant groups in Gaza hack89 Nov 2012 #36
So there we have it....Gaza is bering bombed because Hamas cannot control it...... kayecy Nov 2012 #37
No economic blockade means more weapons. hack89 Nov 2012 #38
a few facts for the foolish, ignorent and those who dont like the facts: pelsar Nov 2012 #39
Guidance systems on Hamas rockets?.......... kayecy Nov 2012 #40
Maybe you can start here oberliner Nov 2012 #41
Thank you for that URL but Hamas does not have the Fateh-110....... kayecy Nov 2012 #42
Did you even read the link? oberliner Nov 2012 #43
Of course I read the link, but did you read what I wrote?..... kayecy Nov 2012 #44
Iron Dome is meant to defend against any and all attacks oberliner Nov 2012 #45
Perhaps you should read the post I was responding to (Pelsar No 39 )....... kayecy Nov 2012 #48
Wow - my bad oberliner Nov 2012 #49
You have my respect for that admission.......n/t kayecy Nov 2012 #54
They're few and far between shaayecanaan Nov 2012 #58
No its not shaayecanaan Nov 2012 #57
for the foolish civilians.... pelsar Nov 2012 #63
Yeah, I've seen the secondary explosions..................... jeggus Nov 2012 #52
What a clever post ... King_David Nov 2012 #55
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