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shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
5. Defence contractors must love this kind of gullibility...
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 03:16 AM
Nov 2012

First of all, where do you think the 90% success rate comes from? I'll give you a hint: its not coming from anyone that's independent. In fact, its entirely self-reported, coming from the operators themselves.

Secondly, what rock have you been living under? Pretty much every ABM scheme has claimed success rates of 90%. In fact, the Patriot system claimed exactly that kind of success rate in the Iraq wars.

Thirdly, you'd probably do well to actually look at the casualty rates from Gazan rockets:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel#Casualties.2C_Fatalities_and_rockets_fired

In 2009 (before Iron Dome), 569 rockets were fired for a total of two Israeli deaths and 11 further injuries. The fatality rate was 0.3% and the overall casualty rate was 2%.

In 2012 (after Iron Dome), 822 rockets have been fired for a total of three deaths and 32 further injuries. The fatality rate was 0.3% and the overall casualty rate was 4%.

If you can read all that and still believe that Iron Dome is a "game-changer", I have some bear powder to sell you. If you use this powder, I promise that there is at least a 90% chance that you will not be mauled and eaten by bears. And at $100,000 a bottle, my bear powder is a bargain, when you consider the benefit of not being killed by a bear. How many can I put you down for?

Time to thank Amir Peretz Mosby Nov 2012 #1
You can boast all you want in trade shows and magazines Doc_Technical Nov 2012 #2
no, Fajr-5 is a game changer Alamuti Lotus Nov 2012 #3
Iron Dome has a 90% success rate on Missiles it has targeted Kurska Nov 2012 #4
Defence contractors must love this kind of gullibility... shaayecanaan Nov 2012 #5
There are a couple problems with your logic here Kurska Nov 2012 #6
That is complete and utter nonsense... shaayecanaan Nov 2012 #8
Excuse me, but rockets are a type of engine that is often used on missles Kurska Nov 2012 #13
Rockets are unguided, missiles are not... shaayecanaan Nov 2012 #17
I'm sorry but that just isn't true. Kurska Nov 2012 #23
Its perfectly true shaayecanaan Nov 2012 #26
Iron Dome's failure has nothing to do with intercept rates. It has to do with the fact that Israel leveymg Nov 2012 #28
Israel did not overreact nor did it use disproportionate force. Dick Dastardly Nov 2012 #53
How can millions of citizens be under constant threat from hundreds of tiny rockets? leveymg Nov 2012 #61
This is a semantics, I linked the dictionary you linked a random website. Kurska Nov 2012 #30
Exactly what is your argument? shaayecanaan Nov 2012 #31
My arguement is attrition rates is a bad measure of whether Iron Dome is effective. Kurska Nov 2012 #47
Attrition rates are the only measure of efficacy... shaayecanaan Nov 2012 #51
How does a cause and effect relationship change the need to separate variables? Kurska Nov 2012 #56
You're the one claiming 90% efficacy... shaayecanaan Nov 2012 #60
IDF claimed 88% efficacy for Iron Dome in a statement a few days ago. leveymg Nov 2012 #62
Patriot claimed 100% efficacy in the last Iraq war shaayecanaan Nov 2012 #64
So where are all the dead Israelis? hack89 Nov 2012 #7
You're disappointed at the lack of dead Jews? Alamuti Lotus Nov 2012 #9
If the Fajr-5 was a true game changer hack89 Nov 2012 #10
while that was a serious posting... Alamuti Lotus Nov 2012 #11
" Israeli terrorism" - OK. nt hack89 Nov 2012 #14
Personally, I think that if the second Lebanon war proved anything... shaayecanaan Nov 2012 #12
That's the beauty of Iron Dome hack89 Nov 2012 #15
No it doesnt shaayecanaan Nov 2012 #20
Imagine how bad things would be in Gaza right now hack89 Nov 2012 #24
Please elaborate Alamuti Lotus Nov 2012 #25
There would have been a ground war hack89 Nov 2012 #33
"Hundreds of dead Israelis" is bullshit shaayecanaan Nov 2012 #29
Wasn't the point of Hamas getting bigger, better, longer range weapons hack89 Nov 2012 #34
No... shaayecanaan Nov 2012 #50
I predict by January, the US Congress (with China $$$) will write another check to bolster and Purveyor Nov 2012 #16
Without this system, the death toll would be higher on both sides.... shira Nov 2012 #18
As long as israel pays for it, go for it but don't come begging to the US taxpayer for the costs. nt Purveyor Nov 2012 #19
Too late nt shaayecanaan Nov 2012 #21
Oh they'll be a coming, at 100K a pop, and from what I see they are popping off about 4-5 per Purveyor Nov 2012 #22
Pop rockets? You impeach your self with such nonsense ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #46
Gotta love apologists for Hamas war crimes. n/t shira Nov 2012 #59
As much as some apologize for the 'apartheid' state of israel, indeed! eom Purveyor Nov 2012 #66
Israel-Gaza Ceasefire Comes with Pledge from Obama to Seek More Defense Aid for Israel Purveyor Nov 2012 #65
I am glad that this exists, I wish it existed for the people of Gaza to protect the civilians. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #27
The attacks on Gaza can be easily stopped hack89 Nov 2012 #32
And then the economic blockade, overflights, assassinations, killing of shepherds will stop?....n/t kayecy Nov 2012 #35
Once Hamas shows it can control the militant groups in Gaza hack89 Nov 2012 #36
So there we have it....Gaza is bering bombed because Hamas cannot control it...... kayecy Nov 2012 #37
No economic blockade means more weapons. hack89 Nov 2012 #38
a few facts for the foolish, ignorent and those who dont like the facts: pelsar Nov 2012 #39
Guidance systems on Hamas rockets?.......... kayecy Nov 2012 #40
Maybe you can start here oberliner Nov 2012 #41
Thank you for that URL but Hamas does not have the Fateh-110....... kayecy Nov 2012 #42
Did you even read the link? oberliner Nov 2012 #43
Of course I read the link, but did you read what I wrote?..... kayecy Nov 2012 #44
Iron Dome is meant to defend against any and all attacks oberliner Nov 2012 #45
Perhaps you should read the post I was responding to (Pelsar No 39 )....... kayecy Nov 2012 #48
Wow - my bad oberliner Nov 2012 #49
You have my respect for that admission.......n/t kayecy Nov 2012 #54
They're few and far between shaayecanaan Nov 2012 #58
No its not shaayecanaan Nov 2012 #57
for the foolish civilians.... pelsar Nov 2012 #63
Yeah, I've seen the secondary explosions..................... jeggus Nov 2012 #52
What a clever post ... King_David Nov 2012 #55
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