Israel/Palestine

ProgressiveProfessor

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84. Could he/she attempt a disproportionate force argument without spewing lies

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Fri Nov 16, 2012, 11:03 AM

Nov 2012

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A call to U.S. progressive Jews: Support Israel's 'get tough' policy in Gaza [View all] Mosby Nov 2012 OP

OMG, so Israel gets to cut off all supplies to Gaza, and folks in Gaza respond, and Lionessa Nov 2012 #1

this op/ed was written by Rabbi Joffe Mosby Nov 2012 #4

Hmmm ... how could we get Palestinians to stop retaliating ... earthside Nov 2012 #5

5 posts in we get a Holocaust reference Mosby Nov 2012 #7

Okay. How about this ... earthside Nov 2012 #8

Actually it's a Boer War reference Recursion Nov 2012 #9

connotations change over time Mosby Nov 2012 #24

What about the people of Gaza? hrmjustin Nov 2012 #27

the residents of Gaza voted in Hamas Mosby Nov 2012 #31

They were driven to hamas because nobody gave a damn about them. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #33

That's a fucking disgusting argument, Mosby. Scootaloo Nov 2012 #76

the Palestinians voted in an islamic terrorist group Mosby Nov 2012 #85

It's sick that you still don't get it. Fantastic Anarchist Nov 2012 #93

+1000 Precisely. nt rDigital Nov 2012 #119

+1 King_David Nov 2012 #128

the vote for Hamas in 2006 was in both the West Bank and Gaza and for the Palestinian Parliament azurnoir Nov 2012 #78

Agreed. It's not the fault of Palestinians in Gaza that Hamas.... shira Nov 2012 #89

Thank you, Shira Scootaloo Nov 2012 #111

This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Nov 2012 #121

Oh, I'm with you in that I agree Palestinians knew exactly who they were.... shira Nov 2012 #124

So, we bomb people now depending on how they vote? Fantastic Anarchist Nov 2012 #92

I didn't say anything like that Mosby Nov 2012 #101

What would you call... Scootaloo Nov 2012 #37

Nice rant but did you forget about Gaza's border with Egypt? King_David Nov 2012 #50

Wow. A grain of truth. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #67

Nope King_David Nov 2012 #68

That's alright King D. I've got your number. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #70

Not sure what that means, King_David Nov 2012 #71

I believe that you do, but if you wish to be disingenuous R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #82

I didn't. It's simply irrelevant. Scootaloo Nov 2012 #72

Yes I can see how inconvenient it is for your argument. nt King_David Nov 2012 #80

If there were a free and open border, maybe. But there's not Scootaloo Nov 2012 #86

And even sadder that it was so totally predictable. abq e streeter Nov 2012 #28

And the Pope is the spiritual leader for 77 million American Catholics Scootaloo Nov 2012 #69

Gaza rockets began immediately after the 2005 Israeli pullout from Gaza.... shira Nov 2012 #20

Stop blockading yourself. Stop blockading yourself. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #43

What do you call a siege on only three sides ... holdencaufield Nov 2012 #44

Yes or no. Does Israel Blockade Gaza. Yes or no? Yes or no? R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #45

Israel blockades Gaza ONLY ... holdencaufield Nov 2012 #46

I knew you would choke on YES. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #48

You can say the answer is FIVE holdencaufield Nov 2012 #49

Ha ha King_David Nov 2012 #52

Dig those heels in baby! R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #53

Perhaps you ... holdencaufield Nov 2012 #60

And yet even the NYT says the word. Why are you afraid to? R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #61

Hey , no "Apartheid" in your post? King_David Nov 2012 #51

Hey, no content in yours. So the same as usual for you? R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #54

lol. Mosby Nov 2012 #56

is this supposed to be satire??? Is this from the onion? bowens43 Nov 2012 #2

Obviously this so called jounalist doesn't know that Americans kill more of our own Larkspur Nov 2012 #3

This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Nov 2012 #6

I agree. Another aspect, it would be akin to retaliating against Mexico because Lionessa Nov 2012 #10

No it isn't like that. aranthus Nov 2012 #11

Yes it is, based on the quote in the post I was responding to. Lionessa Nov 2012 #12

Israel is theocratic ? King_David Nov 2012 #14

Well, between Shas and the new Likud-Kach merger... Oh, I meant "Yisrael Beitinu" Scootaloo Nov 2012 #16

Umm...Likud and Yisrael Beiteinu are secular. n/t shira Nov 2012 #18

So is the Republican party. Scootaloo Nov 2012 #21

I agree I hope so too but Yisrael Beytanu King_David Nov 2012 #36

A country where one religious group has control over others is Lionessa Nov 2012 #17

France is in Europe not Asia even if I decide so.. King_David Nov 2012 #38

I believe Israel is clearly defined in #1. Lionessa Nov 2012 #40

Good Day or Good night where I am King_David Nov 2012 #47

yep let's get tough here and do it by killing pregnant women and children azurnoir Nov 2012 #13

So Israelis should just lie back and enjoy the rockets? n/t shira Nov 2012 #19

perhaps Israel should have honored the Egyptian brokered cease fire azurnoir Nov 2012 #22

Hamas broke the ceasefire. Nice try exonerating Hamas.... shira Nov 2012 #23

the cease fire was early THIS week azurnoir Nov 2012 #25

LOL. When this week? Source? n/t shira Nov 2012 #39

From this past Monday: "Hamas not considering ceasefire with Israel, spokesman says" oberliner Nov 2012 #41

Phony truce may have lured Hamas man into open azurnoir Nov 2012 #57

Egypt has taken to supporting terrorists in Gaza King_David Nov 2012 #129

Or else what? Get labeled a "Disloyal / self-hating Jew"? n/t Scootaloo Nov 2012 #15

No, we will just revoke their LA privileges. nt. Mosby Nov 2012 #26

+1 ellisonz Nov 2012 #87

Huh? Scootaloo Nov 2012 #112

. Mosby Nov 2012 #134

I get called that all the time. Fantastic Anarchist Nov 2012 #96

Looks like Netanyahu and his neocon buddies are throwing a sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #29

US State Dept has Israel's back Mosby Nov 2012 #32

Yeah, they have to say that. The propaganda re that whole mess makes sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #34

How many Americans do you know ? King_David Nov 2012 #55

Majority of polls. Rasmussen? Gallop? R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #58

I think we have different senses of humor cos I don't get it . nt King_David Nov 2012 #62

When someone tries to make their case with emoticons ... holdencaufield Nov 2012 #63

Yeah. You've used that hollow line before. I guess that you forgot. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #64

Nothing in your post counters any of the facts in the post you were responding to. You just Dick Dastardly Nov 2012 #65

The world in general has lost respect for Israel. The US is completely sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #77

The world in general never had any respect for Israel King_David Nov 2012 #79

The world didn't have the settlements excuse back then. n/t shira Nov 2012 #90

Poor, little Israel, has nothing but F-16s to respond to bottle rockets. leveymg Nov 2012 #30

Bottle rockets? abq e streeter Nov 2012 #35

By comparison to Israel's use of force in recent years, they're butterfly sneezes. leveymg Nov 2012 #59

"I wouldn't live on stolen land" holdencaufield Nov 2012 #74

Quote out of context, much? What was the very next sentence in that paragraph? leveymg Nov 2012 #81

What's out of context? holdencaufield Nov 2012 #83

Exactly. Israel has been itching for a fight it seems lately. Lionessa Nov 2012 #42

Gaza rocket fire kills three Israelis King_David Nov 2012 #66

Not the bottle rockets bullshit again... ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #73

No, they are not by any means "bottle rockets," on this we can agree Scootaloo Nov 2012 #75

Could he/she attempt a disproportionate force argument without spewing lies ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #84

There are toy model rockets sold that are bigger than Hamas rockets leveymg Nov 2012 #88

Do those extreme model rockets have 10kg explosive payloads? ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #97

"IDF" vs "Hamas terrorists" Think about your loaded use of terms, and how it prejudices your point. leveymg Nov 2012 #98

What is your point? Hamas is a terrorist organization shooting randomly at civilians ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #102

A statesman is a terrorist who survives long enough. E.g., Begin and Shamir. leveymg Nov 2012 #103

Its not the quantity, its the employment. ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #108

It's both. Which brings us back to the expensive "Iron Dome" antirocket system. What happened? leveymg Nov 2012 #109

Again with the bottle rockets BS... ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #110

It's an effective, accurate meme, one that's easily grasped, so you dislike it. It's accurate leveymg Nov 2012 #115

Did you just really compare Qassams to model hobby rockets? Scootaloo Nov 2012 #113

Model rockets tipped with mortar shells. That's exactly what they are. leveymg Nov 2012 #116

I'm a progressive Jew and there's no way I'll back Israel's offensive. Fantastic Anarchist Nov 2012 #91

you clearly know very little about the conflict Mosby Nov 2012 #94

I clearly do know. Fantastic Anarchist Nov 2012 #95

In the larger sense, Israel has already lost the argument, particularly with American progressives, leveymg Nov 2012 #99

So you believe Israelis should lie back and enjoy the rockets? shira Nov 2012 #100

They're not nearly as much fun to watch as Israeli air strikes. No comparison. leveymg Nov 2012 #104

I'm another progressive Jew and I totally agree with you.. Raksha Nov 2012 #105

There was no blockade of Gaza when Israel withdrew in summer 2005.... shira Nov 2012 #106

Shira my question to you is what personally do you think should happen with this offensive and the hrmjustin Nov 2012 #107

The goal should be to do what they did with Hezbollah in Lebanon... shira Nov 2012 #114

Reciprocate with more colonization. Fantastic Anarchist Nov 2012 #118

Reciprocate with a peace deal along the lines of 2000 & 2008... shira Nov 2012 #120

Solidarity. Fantastic Anarchist Nov 2012 #117

You are definitely not alone. Raksha Nov 2012 #123

Not in my experience, King_David Nov 2012 #131

How did you learn "the hard way" ? oberliner Nov 2012 #125

'by ending the blockade of Gaza ' King_David Nov 2012 #132

It's a call for those progressives to become reactionary. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #122

It is worse than that, it implies that there is something Wrong if you are a progressive Jew and do still_one Nov 2012 #127

The Israeli government has been obsessed with keepng everybody in the Diaspora "on side" Ken Burch Nov 2012 #133

I think it was an unnecessary plea, King_David Nov 2012 #130

This shit has did not happen overnight. What about the illegal settlements? I am for a two state still_one Nov 2012 #126