Israel/Palestine

R. Daneel Olivaw

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122. As a prison. Gaza is blockaded. Please stop with the straw man arguments.

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 08:55 PM

Nov 2012

"Hamas doesn't give a rip whether Israel acts like Ghandi or Mother Theresa and does everything right."

That's great since Israel doesn't act like either Ghandi or Mother Theresa.

My heart goes out to all the victims on each side.

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My Country is Under Attack. Do You Care? [View all] shira Oct 2012 OP

i care. i've seen pictures of what DesertFlower Oct 2012 #1

stop stealing Palestinian land and get serious about finding a peaceful solution... mike_c Oct 2012 #2

i agree about the settlements, etc. but DesertFlower Oct 2012 #3

I'd be curious as to what you think would help? R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #7

i don't know. didn't tippi livni promise DesertFlower Oct 2012 #9

I have never seen the movie. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #11

So to answer the OP, you don't care. shira Oct 2012 #17

I care about both the Palestinians and Israelis. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #24

You accept and understand those rockets to be legit resistance? n/t shira Oct 2012 #32

Tell me, do you pretend to care about Palestinians? R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #46

Not at all. Now do you support the Palestinian right to resist... shira Oct 2012 #48

...via terror R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #59

You didn't answer the question. n/t shira Oct 2012 #60

You must find it difficult to type with pom poms. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #65

So you're not a cheerleader for rocket attacks.... shira Oct 2012 #67

HA! You can't even admit that Israel has violated Palestinian sovereignty. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #71

What sovereignty is that? aranthus Oct 2012 #81

Nothing to admit. You still can't answer simple questions. shira Oct 2012 #89

what about... Shaktimaan Nov 2012 #93

There are no settlements in Gaza oberliner Oct 2012 #10

Then leave the west bank. Simple SESKATOW Oct 2012 #14

The rockets won't stop. Attacks will probably increase. shira Oct 2012 #15

Exit Gaza and send the problem to the UN...or R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #25

Israel exited Gaza in 2005. Rockets increased.... shira Oct 2012 #34

Do you really believe that? Israel has a complete blockade R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #45

Yeah, I do. That "complete" blockade didn't begin... shira Oct 2012 #47

Funny tapdance you have. Now you are going to justify a blockade R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #62

Yeah, the blockade is justified to keep weapons out... shira Oct 2012 #64

Justified, justified, justified. No matter how many times you write it R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #68

So now a blockade = apartheid? n/t shira Oct 2012 #69

Huh? Shaktimaan Nov 2012 #94

Everything is "Apartheid " to that dude nt King_David Nov 2012 #98

The rockets are coming from Gaza not the West Bank oberliner Oct 2012 #21

They gave back Gaza - where all these rockets are being fired from hack89 Oct 2012 #20

The Palestinians never fail to choose violence. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #26

Of course not hack89 Oct 2012 #35

But, if no one is negotiating peace ... holdencaufield Oct 2012 #36

Then the rockets need to stop, don't they? hack89 Oct 2012 #38

Precisely ... holdencaufield Oct 2012 #39

That will never happen as long as the Israeli hawks are in power. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #43

The same can be said of Hamas hack89 Oct 2012 #44

I guess that it sucks living under apartheid. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #63

Gazans only live under Hamas style apartheid, not Israeli. shira Oct 2012 #66

Keep spinning little top. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #70

To you only Israelis are bad; Palestinians are good. shira Oct 2012 #90

Clearly you haven't been reading anything in this thread... Violet_Crumble Oct 2012 #91

I've read his posts here too, Violet. And there's nothing to suggest... shira Oct 2012 #92

Sucks more commiting your people to a path that leads to pain, death and suffering hack89 Oct 2012 #72

"They will never get what they want through violence." R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #73

Israel is strong. The Palestinians are weak hack89 Oct 2012 #75

" Israel is strong." And the illegal settlements + settler based terror goes on. Tra la la. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #77

Negotiate for a West Bank treaty ... holdencaufield Oct 2012 #79

ah yes Israel will remove its 350,000 settlers from West Bank azurnoir Nov 2012 #99

The settlers go away with land swaps. 100% evacuation is unnecessary. n/t shira Nov 2012 #101

oh says who, you? the current Palestinian bid is for all of the West Bank including the 60% azurnoir Nov 2012 #103

So you think that's a reasonable request? All settlers out... shira Nov 2012 #106

yes or the Palestinians could be charitable and allow the same ratio of Israeli's to remain azurnoir Nov 2012 #111

Yes? Well thanks for answering, but that's not reasonable... shira Nov 2012 #120

all the formulations involve land swaps Mosby Nov 2012 #108

Lol Olmert again azurnoir Nov 2012 #110

The boat ... holdencaufield Nov 2012 #119

Is that an admission that the Israelis take more every year? R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #121

Hamas needs to change hack89 Oct 2012 #80

+1,000 nt left coaster Nov 2012 #102

That is awful. Male peace with Palestine. roody Oct 2012 #4

bill clinton had a deal that was great. DesertFlower Oct 2012 #5

Oh brother TomClash Oct 2012 #6

Yes, again R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #8

The conflict should've ended 12 yrs ago. No occupation/settlements shira Oct 2012 #16

And in the process how much more land has been settled by settler illegals? R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #23

None. The same deal can be cut today. You're against it, right? n/t shira Oct 2012 #33

You keep trying to put words in my mouth. Fail. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #42

A better deal was offered in 2008 by Olmert.... shira Oct 2012 #49

Never. Going. To Happen. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #58

Again, you didn't answer. shira Oct 2012 #61

How do you end up with nothing? holdencaufield Oct 2012 #37

Thanks for avoiding the question. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #41

Hamas has nothing for which to negotiate ... holdencaufield Oct 2012 #74

Yes. Palestinians bad. Israelis good. So it goes. So it goes. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #76

I'm sorry you believe that ... holdencaufield Oct 2012 #78

It's sarcasm meant for apologists. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #86

Apologists? holdencaufield Oct 2012 #87

He is dead now, Arafat that is. roody Oct 2012 #18

+1 mjrr_595 Oct 2012 #19

Yassir Arafat had a dream ... holdencaufield Oct 2012 #12

Post removed Post removed Oct 2012 #13

WTF? The person who pointed out you were playing the Holocaust card got nuked?? Violet_Crumble Oct 2012 #22

Do you deny the Holocaust ... holdencaufield Oct 2012 #27

Do you always ask stupid questions that have nothing to do with what was said? Violet_Crumble Oct 2012 #28

The only one screaming about antisemitism ... holdencaufield Oct 2012 #30

As usual, yr totally wrong. Try reading for a change... Violet_Crumble Oct 2012 #31

holden simply put the Holocaust in context re Jews standing their ground post WW2 Mosby Oct 2012 #50

No he didn't. The majority of the post was about Arafat... Violet_Crumble Oct 2012 #51

whatever violet Mosby Oct 2012 #52

You are fighting a losing battle oberliner Oct 2012 #53

You may have better luck peddling that nonsense with someone who doesn't care for facts.. Violet_Crumble Oct 2012 #54

so warren and MIRT were wrong? Mosby Oct 2012 #55

They got this one wrong. Being on the MIRT doesn't make anyone infallible Violet_Crumble Oct 2012 #82

Just curious ... holdencaufield Oct 2012 #83

You should ask yrself that seeing yr the one pretending you said something different Violet_Crumble Oct 2012 #84

So, you're going with the ... holdencaufield Oct 2012 #85

No, I didn't do anything of the sort... Violet_Crumble Oct 2012 #88

+1 King_David Oct 2012 #57

Hey, do you think Haaretz and JPost are antisemitic? They use the phrase as well... Violet_Crumble Oct 2012 #29

I have a suggestion: Stop calling references to the Holocaust in this context, "the holocaust card" cali Nov 2012 #96

+1 ellisonz Nov 2012 #125

What crazy responses to your threads oberliner Oct 2012 #40

They should just say they don't care. n/t shira Oct 2012 #56

Oh, now they care. And out of the woodwork they come... shira Nov 2012 #95

100 bombs in 1/2 hour from air force The Straight Story Nov 2012 #97

There is no moral equivalency b/w the deaths of 3 Israeli civilians.... shira Nov 2012 #100

I luv it "targeted by Hamas" so now Hamas has guidence systems? azurnoir Nov 2012 #104

Why defend Hamas' intention to kill as many Israeli civilians as possible? shira Nov 2012 #105

I am defending Hamas what a libelous quote shira do you ever tire of doing that? azurnoir Nov 2012 #112

If you agree that Hamas tries killing civilians, then why comment? shira Nov 2012 #117

How many in Gaza have been killed this week? (nt) The Straight Story Nov 2012 #114

Those upset about Palestinian casualties have been very quiet... shira Nov 2012 #116

So in other words, you have no idea (nt) The Straight Story Nov 2012 #123

Hamas rules Gaza because the people were desperate. None of the legal rainy Nov 2012 #107

Please. Hamas rules Gaza due to a coup vs. Fatah. shira Nov 2012 #109

I still stand by the fact that when a people rainy Nov 2012 #113

In 2005, they got Gaza all to themselves. That's not desperation... shira Nov 2012 #118

As a prison. Gaza is blockaded. Please stop with the straw man arguments. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #122

... Melinda Nov 2012 #124

read below: rainy Nov 2012 #115