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In reply to the discussion: Jimmy Carter Calls Corrie Case Ruling ‘Unacceptable’ [View all]pelsar
(12,283 posts)74. i understand that you actual believe this....
The family that lived in that home were not part of Hamas.
its one of those options you like to choose even if they dont really exist
(we all know you have no knowledge of this family......their political beliefs, their kids, their second cousin who lived with them....)
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now on to your question of home demolition...does it work to stop terrorism...i dont know. i've never seen any real info on it.....hence i can't make a judgement on it.
some homes were demolished for clearing fields of fire, others for making a security fence (egyptian/gaza border) others as punishment......
As far as pissing off the son/dad/mom/ when their home gets destroyed, of course, i can see that happening i also witnessed some home owners stand up to hamas and refuse to let them shoot from their fields after having lost half of their grove to an IDF D9 bulldozer. (They later planted strawberries, since they grow close to the ground and cant be used by hamas for cover)
what is your preference: rockets that terrorize people or preserving an orange grove so that the hamasnik can shoot under cover....(sorry i cant think of a third option that you would stop the kassams, a priority of mine)
shooting people pisses them off, putting their kids/brothers in jail pisses them off, raiding their homes at night gets them really mad....but getting terrorized by random rockets any time day or night in my book is worse....its a judgement call.
but we do have proof that NOT demolishing house does not affect the the attempts to kill us: you'll notice that we left gaza, stopped bulldozing their homes and the rockets just kept on coming but at a faster rate.
hmmm....so maybe demolishing the homes did infact save some israeli lives but restricting the rockets, that rocket that was destined to fall on the school gym while the kids were all there, never appeared because the tunnel that was bringing it in was demolished by a D9 bulldozer-now thats a 3rd option....
btw i do not know of any IDF policy change in home demolitions in gaza...and one of my friends used to drive one of those beasts, spotters were still not allowed and the rules of engagement was not changed...she died a useless death making no change as did the other westerners who came to protect the gazans not knowing who they really were "protecting."
but there was policy change...the ISM people decided to give the D9 bulldozers a bit more room and not get so close to them-smart move.
its one of those options you like to choose even if they dont really exist
(we all know you have no knowledge of this family......their political beliefs, their kids, their second cousin who lived with them....)
___________
now on to your question of home demolition...does it work to stop terrorism...i dont know. i've never seen any real info on it.....hence i can't make a judgement on it.
some homes were demolished for clearing fields of fire, others for making a security fence (egyptian/gaza border) others as punishment......
As far as pissing off the son/dad/mom/ when their home gets destroyed, of course, i can see that happening i also witnessed some home owners stand up to hamas and refuse to let them shoot from their fields after having lost half of their grove to an IDF D9 bulldozer. (They later planted strawberries, since they grow close to the ground and cant be used by hamas for cover)
what is your preference: rockets that terrorize people or preserving an orange grove so that the hamasnik can shoot under cover....(sorry i cant think of a third option that you would stop the kassams, a priority of mine)
shooting people pisses them off, putting their kids/brothers in jail pisses them off, raiding their homes at night gets them really mad....but getting terrorized by random rockets any time day or night in my book is worse....its a judgement call.
but we do have proof that NOT demolishing house does not affect the the attempts to kill us: you'll notice that we left gaza, stopped bulldozing their homes and the rockets just kept on coming but at a faster rate.
hmmm....so maybe demolishing the homes did infact save some israeli lives but restricting the rockets, that rocket that was destined to fall on the school gym while the kids were all there, never appeared because the tunnel that was bringing it in was demolished by a D9 bulldozer-now thats a 3rd option....
btw i do not know of any IDF policy change in home demolitions in gaza...and one of my friends used to drive one of those beasts, spotters were still not allowed and the rules of engagement was not changed...she died a useless death making no change as did the other westerners who came to protect the gazans not knowing who they really were "protecting."
but there was policy change...the ISM people decided to give the D9 bulldozers a bit more room and not get so close to them-smart move.
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It's like when we hear cops getting off scott free after an obvious case of murder.
Spitfire of ATJ
Aug 2012
#5
she was 23 years old that is a bit past the age of parental allowing or not n/t
azurnoir
Aug 2012
#9
.....nor was she obligated to try to protect those that were trying to kill me....
pelsar
Sep 2012
#70
Would you trust some fellow Israelis on the matter? or your own army? From the ICAHD website:
Ken Burch
Sep 2012
#89
I didn't mean anything like what you implied in the first line of that post, obviously.
Ken Burch
Sep 2012
#92
no...israelis dont have any particular character that puts them above anybody else...
pelsar
Sep 2012
#91
material possessions are not the same as human lives....(a very capitalistic approach you have)
pelsar
Sep 2012
#94
I thought I had a cite...at this point I don't...I've deleted that part of the post.
Ken Burch
Sep 2012
#69
I thought I had a cite...at this point I don't...I've deleted that part of the post.
Ken Burch
Sep 2012
#68
I thought I had a cite...at this point I don't...I've deleted that part of the post.
Ken Burch
Sep 2012
#67
Her parents have every reason to be proud of their daughter, and I assume they are
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#76
It wasn't "a vacation" She was doing serious, respect-worthy work for peace and justice.
Ken Burch
Aug 2012
#13
In Rachel Corrie verdict, Israel deals new blow to international law (Jeff Halper)
azurnoir
Aug 2012
#21
Israel has the responsibility to protect innocent people in its jurisdiction or area of operations,
aranthus
Aug 2012
#30
well it seem that if Israel is indeed responsible and Corrie who is a civilwas killed as a result of
azurnoir
Aug 2012
#34
IDF was allowing civilians in an area where military operations were taking place without taking
azurnoir
Sep 2012
#54
so apparently IDF should not protect the lives of civilians what more can I say thanks n/t
azurnoir
Sep 2012
#61
parts 1 and 2 of your comment are quite conflicting but was Rachel Corrie a civilian
azurnoir
Sep 2012
#115
feel free to call/think/believe us as N....i am indirectly here called that anyway
pelsar
Sep 2012
#122
Excuse me, but it's Republican tactics to apply the term "bias" to an individual.
Ken Burch
Aug 2012
#36
Indeed. There are just as many innocent Palestinian victims as there are innocent Israeli victims.
Ken Burch
Sep 2012
#98