Israel/Palestine

bemildred

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33. Incompetent and hostile is the current situation, no need to speculate.

Reply to pelsar (Reply #26)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 02:06 PM

Jul 2012

The question was how do you change that? Clearly, the current policies are not working.

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The profitable occupation, and why it is never discussed [View all] azurnoir Jun 2012 OP

It's always about the money, isn't it? bemildred Jun 2012 #1

gaza? pelsar Jun 2012 #2

so Israel has security reasons for it's hold on the Jordan river valley? azurnoir Jun 2012 #3

this is very simple....but its foundation may be difficult...its not based on nationalism pelsar Jun 2012 #4

Right, but you are assuming they will be incompetent and hostile. bemildred Jun 2012 #5

The fact that nobody pays attention to South Africa now is really sad oberliner Jun 2012 #6

I assume the South Africans are happy to not be in the global spotlight. bemildred Jun 2012 #7

The fear is that once there's an unstable Palestinian state in place, war will be imminent... shira Jun 2012 #9

I know what the fear is, but fear makes you stupid too. bemildred Jun 2012 #11

Rational fear based on history and facts is not stupidity. Stupidity is not learning from... shira Jun 2012 #13

You assume your conclusion, as usual, i.e. that fear is rational. bemildred Jun 2012 #15

Fine, don't look at it as fear then. Look at it as a rational educated opinion/position... shira Jun 2012 #18

I look on fear as fear. bemildred Jun 2012 #20

Stuiped is not having a plan B pelsar Jul 2012 #27

are you suggesting Shaktimaan Jul 2012 #30

No. bemildred Jul 2012 #32

What do you make of people who are irrationally fearless or in denial of danger? n/t shira Jul 2012 #76

Not much. bemildred Jul 2012 #77

Look ma - no hands. Bradlad Jun 2012 #8

Right, so you just assume that is a permanent condition? bemildred Jun 2012 #10

No, I think you and many progressives & right-wingers think that's permanent... shira Jun 2012 #12

You are sooo fond of sweeping generalities. bemildred Jun 2012 #16

So correct me if I'm wrong, but your position is Palestinian nationality first, then civil rights... shira Jun 2012 #19

I'm correcting, you are wrong. bemildred Jun 2012 #21

The Palestinians require more control of their own affairs....okay. Then would you say in Gaza... shira Jun 2012 #22

No. bemildred Jun 2012 #23

It's Gaza's choice to be under blockade, at war, to have a poor economy, to be weak... shira Jun 2012 #24

Yeah, it's really simple, isn't it? bemildred Jun 2012 #25

if you take the viewpoint that the gazans are capable people than yes.... pelsar Jul 2012 #28

So.... Shaktimaan Jul 2012 #29

Justifiable question. Bradlad Jun 2012 #14

And what is this entity that "wants" things? bemildred Jun 2012 #17

the assumption is that, being incompetent and hostile is a real possibility.... pelsar Jul 2012 #26

Incompetent and hostile is the current situation, no need to speculate. bemildred Jul 2012 #33

precisely...which is why its time for a change...a real change, not more of the same pelsar Jul 2012 #35

Oh my. nt bemildred Jul 2012 #41

The current policies are not working? Bradlad Jul 2012 #36

"something less than ideal". bemildred Jul 2012 #39

What? Bradlad Jul 2012 #44

You seem to think the current policies are "working", eh? bemildred Jul 2012 #46

I guess you need to . . Bradlad Jul 2012 #48

Ha ha! I knew it. nt bemildred Jul 2012 #49

Well, I suppose I should be forthcoming ... bemildred Jul 2012 #51

I agree Bradlad Jul 2012 #55

israeli internal conflicts is defining "not working"....sheesh pelsar Jul 2012 #57

Everybody has internal conflicts, I'm talking about trends. bemildred Jul 2012 #58

what trends? pelsar Jul 2012 #60

Here, this kind of thing: bemildred Jul 2012 #59

graphic showing water distribution West Bank azurnoir Jul 2012 #31

Rather than . . Bradlad Jul 2012 #34

you r cute little links leave out one thing per Oslo all water projects must be intitiated azurnoir Jul 2012 #37

What's your point? Bradlad Jul 2012 #38

perhaps you should reread my comment then azurnoir Jul 2012 #40

So then . . Bradlad Jul 2012 #42

so you admit the graphic is true? but then attempt to justify it? azurnoir Jul 2012 #43

What you've said . . Bradlad Jul 2012 #45

Israel is using the terms of the agreement to stymie Palestinian water development azurnoir Jul 2012 #47

Than you (or someone) should take them to court. Bradlad Jul 2012 #50

Thank you for admitting that Israel uses the agreement to stop Palestinian development azurnoir Jul 2012 #52

A good example . . Bradlad Jul 2012 #53

the facts of the case speak for themselves don't they? azurnoir Jul 2012 #54

not really. Shaktimaan Jul 2012 #56

well Israel does adhere to the parts of Oslo that it wants too azurnoir Jul 2012 #61

You think really? Shaktimaan Jul 2012 #62

lol ya Israel left Lebanon alright and then used azurnoir Jul 2012 #63

actually its more.... pelsar Jul 2012 #66

well its nice to see how many thousands of Arab children you think one Jewish child is worth azurnoir Jul 2012 #69

its more personal.... my kids pelsar Jul 2012 #70

well as anyone reading this thread can tell there is certainly a group think mentality going on azurnoir Jul 2012 #73

does being show to be wrong..affect anything? pelsar Jul 2012 #64

there is a difference between what your article shows to be Israel and what you azurnoir Jul 2012 #65

not according to the graphic... pelsar Jul 2012 #67

Here is the graphic once again it is explicitly about the West Bank azurnoir Jul 2012 #68

so your against water management.......and adhering to agreements.... pelsar Jul 2012 #71

well I do understand why as a loyal Israeli why you'd azurnoir Jul 2012 #72

guess you missed the question... pelsar Jul 2012 #74

no I did not miss your 'question' but the fallback position of"but, but, but it's legal" azurnoir Jul 2012 #75

you just don't like the result....but thats why there are agreements pelsar Jul 2012 #78

Israel has very good water managment for Israeli's and only for Israel's azurnoir Jul 2012 #79

must remember..the ends justifies the means pelsar Jul 2012 #80

Tens of thousands of Palestinians suffer from water supply disruptions in East Jerusalem azurnoir Jul 2012 #81

very good.... pelsar Jul 2012 #82