Oh, the post I replied to? Forgot about that, I was too busy attacking the messenger... (Reply #450)

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450. Oh, the post I replied to? Forgot about that, I was too busy attacking the messenger...

I think the "Open letter to the Israeli left" is essentially a straw man. The author is merely refuting herself, when she picks off the arguments of the supposed anti-Israel left:

You call for boycotts, divestment and sanctions (BDS) against Israel until Israel bends to your demands and self-destructs. You lie when you say that BDS is only about Palestinian rights and justice, knowing full well that the BDS movement aims at eliminating the Jewish state. You do not care about Palestinian Arabs when their fellow Arabs oppress or kill them. Only when you can blame Israel do you speak up. Of all the countries in the world, you only target Israel for boycotts, divestment and destruction.

The anti-Israel left as portrayed in the article is mostly imaginary, and I hope that most people don't actually believe that it exists.

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Yes, anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism [View all]	shira	Sep 2012	OP
Anti-Zionism and Anti-Semitism: Robert Wistrich	shira	Sep 2012	#1
Yes, but anti-Netanyahu is not the same as anti-Semitism. INMO Iran deal is good for Israel	meir34	Aug 2015	#440
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Feb 2016	#447
This message was self-deleted by its author	Mosby	May 2019	#480
So, does this mean...	Troggle	Sep 2012	#2
No	oberliner	Sep 2012	#4
Of course I know that for people afflicted with decency and common sense criticism is possible...	Troggle	Sep 2012	#5
The author wrote about anti-zionist ideology, not criticism of Israel being antisemitic.	shira	Sep 2012	#6
Not all forms of anti-Zionism are the same.	Ken Burch	Sep 2012	#26
Name an anti-zionist movement today that doesn't tolerate....	shira	Sep 2012	#29
I'd say that anti-zionists among almost all those that exist in North America, the UK and Europe	Ken Burch	Sep 2012	#32
If anti-zionists are staunch opponents of antisemitism....	shira	Sep 2012	#33
Just a quick note.	Bradlad	Sep 2012	#49
This message was self-deleted by its author	azurnoir	Dec 2012	#166
yep same question gets asked about US Muslims all the time 'cause we all know	azurnoir	Sep 2012	#52
Just pointing out anti-Zionists aren't that interested....	shira	Sep 2012	#58
I could repeat post #52 it still applies n/t	azurnoir	Sep 2012	#67
If it's about #52, at least there plenty of Muslims to denounce...	shira	Sep 2012	#68
so you are now saying that Jews are a race? well okay if you believe that n/t	azurnoir	Sep 2012	#70
Oh, I get it. Anti-racist activism doesn't apply to Jews...	shira	Sep 2012	#72
Israel's more progressive than the USA, and by a wide margin.	JLII	Dec 2012	#141
Yeah. Gay rights, environment, healthcare, better trade unions...	shira	Dec 2012	#143
Thanks	JLII	Dec 2012	#148
Also, Israel cares and provides for its children, poor and elderly far better than does the US.	JDPriestly	Dec 2012	#203
Group cuts Holocaust survivors' aid by 20% also claims that 1 in 4 Israelis in poverty	azurnoir	Dec 2012	#292
I spoke to someone who just returned from a visit in Israel	JDPriestly	Dec 2012	#300
Who made you Wolf Blitzer?	Scootaloo	Dec 2012	#312
easily both could be true	azurnoir	Dec 2012	#315
don't forget those segregated buses, dear Shira!	cali	May 2013	#360
Are you confused? There are no segregated buses in Israel, dear.	shira	May 2013	#362
Yup.	aquart	Sep 2012	#3
God, Torah and Israel are one.	aranthus	Sep 2012	#7
Huh.... No.	Shaktimaan	Sep 2012	#8
Great post. n/t	shira	Sep 2012	#11
I'd say you both have good points but .	Bradlad	Sep 2012	#12
Here is where we disagree.	aranthus	Sep 2012	#13
Uh, no...Jewish athiests and agnostics don't believe that.	Ken Burch	Sep 2012	#27
Of course they do.	aranthus	Sep 2012	#41
Logically, people who don't believe in God are not going to believe	Ken Burch	Sep 2012	#42
Where did you study logic? Go back there and ask for your money back.	doxyluv13	Oct 2012	#107
It's possible, but in practice anti-zionists tend to hate....	shira	Oct 2012	#109
Before you criticize, first understand what you are talking about.	aranthus	Oct 2012	#117
Most religious Jews opposed Zionism prior to 1948...	shaayecanaan	Sep 2012	#9
Those Jews didn't routinely utilize old, bigoted tropes like anti-zios today...	shira	Sep 2012	#10
thanks for linking to that post where you show that Palestinians including children	azurnoir	Sep 2012	#14
Yes, of course. There's zero antisemitism in those videos...	shira	Sep 2012	#18
Your claim was that "anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism"	shaayecanaan	Sep 2012	#16
It is today, without question. n/t	shira	Sep 2012	#17
What about last Tuesday? Was it anti-semitic then? (nt)	shaayecanaan	Sep 2012	#19
Brilliant. But let's face it....	shira	Sep 2012	#20
I'm not sure anyone here would have heard of Lauren Booth...	shaayecanaan	Sep 2012	#21
I only know about Lauren Booth because she's the sister-in-law of Tony Blair.	LeftishBrit	Sep 2012	#24
LB, what do you know of PSC's Tony Greenstein....	shira	Sep 2012	#73
Don't know a lot about him; think he tends to be more idealistic than realistic in most of his views	LeftishBrit	Sep 2012	#74
I just googled him. Tony Greenstein co-founded the PSC...	shira	Sep 2012	#77
Poor old Gilad Atzmon	shaayecanaan	Sep 2012	#75
He has quite the fan club. Ever heard of these guys....	shira	Sep 2012	#76
bar one or two, i havent heard of any of them nt	shaayecanaan	Oct 2012	#81
I would hardly call these the 'leaders' of any movement	LeftishBrit	Sep 2012	#23
They're well respected within the movement. I could've mentioned...	shira	Sep 2012	#30
Greta Berlin is a leader for the Free Gaza Movement....	shira	Oct 2012	#101
Excellent post, Shaayecanaan.	Fantastic Anarchist	Nov 2012	#128
Anti-Zionism can be antisemitism but need not be	LeftishBrit	Sep 2012	#15
Well-put.	Ken Burch	Sep 2012	#22
You say some people are against all forms of nationalism....	shira	Sep 2012	#31
anti-Zionism can be anti-Semitism...but it doesn't have to be.	Ken Burch	Sep 2012	#25
In theory it doesn't have to be. In practice it is. n/t	shira	Oct 2012	#80
In practice it isn't necessarily either. And it serves no purpose to demonize non-Zionists.	Ken Burch	Oct 2012	#82
The vast majority of anti-zionists support anti-semitic organizations....	shira	Oct 2012	#83
Resisting Israeli authority in the West Bank is NOT "hating Jews"	Ken Burch	Oct 2012	#84
When PeaceNow works for Palestinian Rights, THAT is not hating Jews...	shira	Oct 2012	#85
As if you EVER supported Peace Now.	Ken Burch	Oct 2012	#86
Now you're deflecting, but at least I know that you now realize...	shira	Oct 2012	#88
I NEVER said that anti-zionists(most of who are NOT "Jew-haters")were the ONLY ones	Ken Burch	Oct 2012	#90
Most are not jew-haters. Not the ISM, FGM, PSC, BDS....	shira	Oct 2012	#93
The subject is that you accused me of saying something I NEVER said.	Ken Burch	Oct 2012	#96
That's how I understood your posts about anti-zionists, Ken	shira	Oct 2012	#102
I accept the apology-still, I am serious about challenging the claim that antizionist=antisemite.	Ken Burch	Oct 2012	#103
Greta Berlin not only lied in her apology, she posted a Nazi documentary film	shira	Oct 2012	#104
I denounce Greta Berlin...never heard of her before this.	Ken Burch	Oct 2012	#108
She's only the co-founder of Free Gaza, a movement supported....	shira	Oct 2012	#110
All we know is that the person who wrote the OP SAID they were silent.	Ken Burch	Oct 2012	#113
Ali Abunimah of EI tweeted about the silence...	shira	Oct 2012	#114
I have a serious question here. Israel is being referred to as a "Jewish state."	rateyes	Sep 2012	#28
You're wrong on both counts.	shira	Sep 2012	#34
So you are saying that my impression of Israel being a secular democracy	rateyes	Sep 2012	#37
Think of it as the homeland for the Jews rather than a Jewish homeland...	shira	Sep 2012	#44
another answer	azurnoir	Sep 2012	#35
Yeah, he doesn't really count. So Israel is still an ethnic supremacy.	shira	Sep 2012	#36
Get back to me when an Arab or Druze PM or President is elected we'll talk then okay?	azurnoir	Sep 2012	#39
No, you tried justifying the argument that Israel is either...	shira	Sep 2012	#45
not really but if that's what you want to think be my guest	azurnoir	Sep 2012	#46
Ah, but, looking at the demographics,	rateyes	Sep 2012	#38
IMO the "Arab demographic threat" is over played it was a big meme a few years back but	azurnoir	Sep 2012	#40
Portions of the Israeli population are giving a good account of themselves reproductively too.	bemildred	Sep 2012	#50
True enough	azurnoir	Sep 2012	#51
Jewish State	doxyluv13	Oct 2012	#106
Gentleman's agreement? And you know this...how?	shira	Oct 2012	#111
So anti-zionism is equivalent to antisemitism?	bemildred	Sep 2012	#43
At the very, very least it's implicitly bigoted to oppose equal rights....	shira	Sep 2012	#47
So I got "anti-zionism is bigoted", then.	bemildred	Sep 2012	#48
well of course because we all know that without Zionism	azurnoir	Sep 2012	#53
Nope	King_David	Sep 2012	#54
ya like I said	azurnoir	Sep 2012	#55
Yes there were in the past,	King_David	Sep 2012	#56
so were these Canadian signs enforced? written into law ?	azurnoir	Sep 2012	#57
Az, you'd have to agree that Jews needed an Israel....	shira	Sep 2012	#59
No I would say that the countries that would not allow entry	azurnoir	Sep 2012	#61
Pathetic post....	shira	Sep 2012	#64
You are quite free to 'understand' whatever you wish too however I did not mention Israel	azurnoir	Sep 2012	#65
Irrelevant. nt	King_David	Sep 2012	#69
well it was relevant enough for you to comment n/t	azurnoir	Sep 2012	#71
i was interested enough to check on the "no jews, no dogs" sign	shaayecanaan	Oct 2012	#87
No Dogs and Jews Allowed	King_David	Oct 2012	#89
once again and your link does not address this at all how were those signs enforced?	azurnoir	Oct 2012	#91
Oh I think it addresses the issue	King_David	Oct 2012	#97
Good thing people can read huh? n/t	azurnoir	Oct 2012	#98
still no record of the actual sign...	shaayecanaan	Oct 2012	#100
Yeah, especially in the US and Canada.....	shira	Oct 2012	#92
so in your opinion Jews in the US had no political rights because they did not push the US	azurnoir	Oct 2012	#94
No, during WW2 Jews in North America feared doing anything....	shira	Oct 2012	#95
for the luv what exactly were Jews in the US supposed to do prior or during WW2?	azurnoir	Oct 2012	#99
When I was a child (in the mid 1950's) we used to	COLGATE4	Dec 2012	#260
signs in Fl said no Jews or dogs but then we can assume Blacks and Hispanics were welcome right?	azurnoir	Dec 2012	#261
No, blacks and Hispanics were certainly	COLGATE4	Dec 2012	#290
so your saying that Jews did not know their place or what?	azurnoir	Dec 2012	#293
I'm not sure what your point is	COLGATE4	Dec 2012	#294
my point is that those signs are something of an 'urban legend'	azurnoir	Dec 2012	#298
You are either stunningly uninformed or	COLGATE4	Dec 2012	#304
neither but I've been around this track before and on this thread too	azurnoir	Dec 2012	#305
Don't flatter yourself	COLGATE4	Dec 2012	#306
well okay but ya know	azurnoir	Dec 2012	#309
You pointed to a thread on DU	King_David	Dec 2012	#307
It was your claims that were debunked on this thread	azurnoir	Dec 2012	#308
This message was self-deleted by its author	King_David	Dec 2012	#310
Did the Jews of the SS Struma have equal rights in 1942? n/t	shira	Sep 2012	#60
perhaps you need to reread the comment or was this simply an oppurtunity	azurnoir	Sep 2012	#62
You should consider Zionism as equal rights for Jews collectively	shira	Sep 2012	#63
Zionism began began more than a generation prior to Israel	azurnoir	Sep 2012	#66
I don't hate Israel, I just think we put in the wrong place.	MercutioATC	Sep 2012	#78
Virtually every one of your statements is factually false.	aranthus	Dec 2012	#225
Message auto-removed	Name removed	May 2013	#363
The Free Gaza Movement Shows Its Anti-Semitic Face	shira	Oct 2012	#79
No antisemitism in this piece critical of Israel	doxyluv13	Oct 2012	#105
Now that's just an idiotic article that begs to be ridiculed....	shira	Oct 2012	#112
Dear Rabid Hater, BTW you didn't refute my point.	doxyluv13	Oct 2012	#115
What point? That a rabid hater who believes in a nefarious Jewish Lobby...	shira	Oct 2012	#116
While I disagree with the OP (see post 15), you can't honestly regard antiwar.com and Giraldi as	LeftishBrit	Oct 2012	#119
Lots of DU'ers link to the extreme Rightwing antiwar.com	shira	Dec 2012	#137
That, in itself, is a RW talking point. You clearly have no comprehension of what you write.	leveymg	Dec 2012	#160
Here's how they describe themselves....	shira	Dec 2012	#161
That's not extreme RW - it reads like the Henry Wallace Progressive Party platform from '48:	leveymg	Dec 2012	#162
They're xenophobic isolationists closer to Ron Paul, Pat Buchanon, & David Duke	shira	Dec 2012	#167
The only connection is that you put antiwar.com and David Duke into the same sentence.	leveymg	Dec 2012	#168
Duke makes the same arguments. As does Pat Buchanon....	shira	Dec 2012	#170
If you want to be taken seriously, learn to spell names.	leveymg	Dec 2012	#172
Raimondo and Buchanan agree on few things. Yeah, right....	shira	Dec 2012	#173
Again, if you want to be taken seriously, address the issue rather than another weak attempt at	leveymg	Dec 2012	#175
Though I disagree with the OP, Shira is right about antiwar.com	LeftishBrit	Dec 2012	#188
You cherry-picked the AW Mission Statement. Here's what you left out:	leveymg	Dec 2012	#189
Sorry, but right-libertarian, anti-social-safety net, anti-welfare views are so utterly evil that we	LeftishBrit	Dec 2012	#190
You are SO off-base. Randoph Bourne was a progressive, a cultural radical, and a Socialist.	leveymg	Dec 2012	#192
But they also endorse Garret Garrett	LeftishBrit	Dec 2012	#193
I agree with you.	delrem	Dec 2012	#195
I see your point. But, your complaint reminds me most strongly of this by John Stuart Mill:	leveymg	Dec 2012	#199
So tell me, do you take racists seriously....	shira	Dec 2012	#200
If one reads Antiwar.com, and supports their right to publish, that is not "selling (Buchanan)."	leveymg	Dec 2012	#207
So you'd advocate the same way for Stormfront as you do antiwar.com? n/t	shira	Dec 2012	#208
There would be little in Stormfront that I would find interesting or commendable.	leveymg	Dec 2012	#211
You're on a site that censors StormFront.	shira	Dec 2012	#212
It's bad enough that we have fanatical zionists and anti-z's. The Nazis aren't missed here.	leveymg	Dec 2012	#213
Would you by the same token...	LeftishBrit	Dec 2012	#217
To paraphrase Berkeley, "if the idea is never allowed to be cited or linked, was it ever expressed?"	leveymg	Dec 2012	#241
It is not the dilemma that 'Shira and I' are creating	LeftishBrit	Dec 2012	#245
so esentially what your seem to be saying here is that who says something is more important	azurnoir	Dec 2012	#251
Here's what I said about this in an earlier post	LeftishBrit	Dec 2012	#262
KEN O’KEEFE EMBRACES WHITE SUPREMACIST DAVID DUKE	shira	Oct 2012	#118
Thanks shira Tony Greenstein promotes Ali Abunumah's statement you know the one you claim	azurnoir	Oct 2012	#120
So tell me. If Greenstein is exposed as an anti-Semite...	shira	Oct 2012	#121
hey if you wish to 'expose' your own source on antisemitism as an antisemite	azurnoir	Oct 2012	#122
Ali Abunimah: Israelis whining about rockets	shira	Oct 2012	#123
Ali Abunimah says Hamas rockets are legitimate resistance	shira	Dec 2014	#397
Respect activist: was Hitler the bad guy?	shira	Oct 2012	#124
Ali Abunimah claims Israeli made food is racist	shira	Nov 2012	#125
Israeli made food is racist and do not forget 'Apartheid' too .... nt	King_David	Nov 2012	#131
Nazi apartheid food. n/t	shira	Nov 2012	#134
He's thinking of starting a food blog	oberliner	Nov 2012	#132
Ben White dreams that, by the “bloodshed and sweat of martyrs”, Palestine will be free!	shira	Nov 2012	#126
Yawn ...	Fantastic Anarchist	Nov 2012	#127
Bigotry and hatred isn't anything to yawn about on a liberal board.	shira	Nov 2012	#129
That screed is definitely something to yawn about.	Fantastic Anarchist	Nov 2012	#130
It's hard to argue the reality....	shira	Nov 2012	#133
Liars @ Pal. Solidarity linking to insanely antisemitic PRESS-TV article	shira	Dec 2012	#135
Ali Abunimah running interference for Hamas incitement vs. Jews	shira	Dec 2012	#136
Why should the article condemn Meshal for something he did not say? nt	delrem	Dec 2012	#138
What do you think he means by Zionists here? Hint , it is not Zionist christians in the USA .	King_David	Dec 2012	#139
Let me guess: you didn't read the article?	delrem	Dec 2012	#140
"You steal land"? Who is "you"? David isn't Israeli.	shira	Dec 2012	#142
David is arguing the Zionist Israeli case	delrem	Dec 2012	#145
David is arguing Meshaal is a racist, bigoted POS....	shira	Dec 2012	#196
Meshaal may be a racist, bigoted POS, but he didn't say what it is claimed he said!	delrem	Dec 2012	#197
That's simply mendacious!	delrem	Dec 2012	#144
Ha Ha... its ALWAYS a 'mistranslation'	King_David	Dec 2012	#146
You are already mendacious.	delrem	Dec 2012	#147
Ali Hasan Abunimah is a Palestinian American journalist	King_David	Dec 2012	#149
Who is fluent in Arabic.	delrem	Dec 2012	#150
Excuse for what ? Everything I posted is 100% accurate . nt	King_David	Dec 2012	#151
100% mendacious. nt	delrem	Dec 2012	#152
No you are using the wrong word,	King_David	Dec 2012	#153
It is the correct word.	delrem	Dec 2012	#155
.	King_David	Dec 2012	#156
This message was self-deleted by its author	AldoLeopold	Dec 2012	#154
This message was self-deleted by its author	ann---	Dec 2012	#157
'Zionists believe the bible gives them the land they stole from the Palestinians'	King_David	Dec 2012	#163
The Israeli religious right believes such things; not all Zionists.	LeftishBrit	Dec 2012	#264
this was posted before	riverwalker	Dec 2012	#158
No it just somehow keeps getting kicked back up again and again	azurnoir	Dec 2012	#164
It's false on the face of it.	delrem	Dec 2012	#165
My post had nothing to do with the veracity of the OP itself	azurnoir	Dec 2012	#169
Ah, I see!	delrem	Dec 2012	#181
Amazing that you comfortable calling a fellow DU member an idiot ,	King_David	Dec 2012	#171
No, it's an accurate description. While anti-zionism need not be anti-semitic.....	shira	Dec 2012	#174
Location, locatoin, location.	ZombieHorde	Dec 2012	#159
What are you trying to accomplish, Shira?	Harry_Scrote	Dec 2012	#176
The same thing as always	DonCoquixote	Dec 2012	#178
:(	Harry_Scrote	Dec 2012	#185
The motive is to expose anti-zionists for being ugly anti-semites.	shira	Dec 2012	#194
shira: anti-zionists = anti-semites	delrem	Dec 2012	#198
Let's start with the FreeGaza movement....	shira	Dec 2012	#201
one heinous tweet	delrem	Dec 2012	#205
There's a lot more in that thread than 1 tweet.	shira	Dec 2012	#206
"Gilad Atzmon, Alison Weir, and other VERY nasty antisemites"	delrem	Dec 2012	#214
Are you familiar with Atzmon and Weir....	shira	Dec 2012	#219
This is a ridiculous statement - did you even read the article?	oberliner	Dec 2012	#187
"ONLY ideology"? How many others have been tried? & If it "saves" why is there so much threat?	patrice	Dec 2012	#177
No.	elleng	Dec 2012	#179
Post removed	Post removed	Dec 2012	#180
What a disgusting post.	King_David	Dec 2012	#182
ah so you got that nasty post hidden can we please see the jury results I would really like to know	azurnoir	Dec 2012	#183
Doesn't say anything more than a jury voted 5-1 to hide it	King_David	Dec 2012	#184
It means that someone before you alerted.	Ms. Toad	Dec 2012	#186
I guess it was simultaneous	King_David	Dec 2012	#191
You just alerted while the first jury was out. n/t	Ms. Toad	Dec 2012	#215
A whole religion has been hijacked for a political project.	Democratopia	Dec 2012	#202
So in 1948 it made sense. After so many years....	shira	Dec 2012	#209
I don't agree with that at all, and not what I am saying.	Democratopia	Dec 2012	#221
Many Jews ? i say Bullshit !	King_David	Dec 2012	#216
You seem to disrespect those that do not agree with you.	Democratopia	Dec 2012	#222
Naturei Karta ?	King_David	Dec 2012	#224
Try this group of 77 North American Rabbis -Are they all "Holocaust denial homophobic nut jobs" too?	Democratopia	Dec 2012	#227
LOL	King_David	Dec 2012	#230
Are you a TTJ or Neturei Karta?	aranthus	Dec 2012	#226
I don't support these groups - just showing not all Jews are Zionists.	Democratopia	Dec 2012	#229
There is about 200 of them nt	King_David	Dec 2012	#231
'I don't support these groups'	King_David	Dec 2012	#232
Why do you call it propoganda? I don't know how many anti-Zionist there are. However,	Democratopia	Dec 2012	#236
"Zionism is a problem - not a Jewish state being the problem"	King_David	Dec 2012	#242
As I have said in another post, Zionism was a movement to create a Jewish state.	Democratopia	Dec 2012	#247
I think your having difficulty grasping the Zionist concept,	King_David	Dec 2012	#284
My wife doesn't agree with me, but we have Jewish friends who do.	Democratopia	Dec 2012	#285
That is strange indeed...theres not that many Republican Jews...	King_David	Dec 2012	#291
Anti-palestinians have watered "antisemitism" into meaninglessness - as camouflage	Scootaloo	Dec 2012	#204
So all the examples like FreeGaza, Ali Abunimah, BDS, the ISM & PSC....	shira	Dec 2012	#210
For the most part I find your assertions baseless	Scootaloo	Dec 2012	#218
Of course you do. And no specifics, of course.....	shira	Dec 2012	#220
Shira is wrong about these organizations because Shira provides no evidence	Scootaloo	Dec 2012	#235
I've provided plenty of evidence....	shira	Dec 2012	#240
We've already confirmed Greta Berlin	Scootaloo	Dec 2012	#243
And FreeGaza's current board all support her. In fact, Greta Berlin remains on the board.....	shira	Dec 2012	#263
You're right, I didn't respond to that.	Scootaloo	Dec 2012	#276
You're making yet another ridiculous comparison.	shira	Dec 2012	#278
Great post Scootaloo.	Democratopia	Dec 2012	#223
oops	King_David	Dec 2012	#296
Bunk.	aranthus	Dec 2012	#228
I don't agree that Zionism only means the continued existence of Israel.	Democratopia	Dec 2012	#234
Now I see where you're going. You assume we're against criticism of Israel....	shira	Dec 2012	#238
But that isn't what Zionism is.	aranthus	Dec 2012	#244
Zionism was a movement to give the Jewish people a safe haven. They have that. The Zionist movement	Democratopia	Dec 2012	#246
Respectfully, you don't get to define Zionism. n/t	aranthus	Dec 2012	#249
well then why don't you define Zionism for us n/t	azurnoir	Dec 2012	#252
From Dictionary.com	aranthus	Dec 2012	#257
well the poster you were addressing seems to fit that description	azurnoir	Dec 2012	#259
That isn't as important as you think.	aranthus	Dec 2012	#265
yes it is important because how can one support Israel's existence	azurnoir	Dec 2012	#266
You support Israel within the green line, but with RoR ensured....	shira	Dec 2012	#270
Thank you for proving my point	azurnoir	Dec 2012	#271
Thank you Azurnoir.	Democratopia	Dec 2012	#283
oops	King_David	Dec 2012	#295
Your point being that you didn't mention you're for RoR into Israel....	shira	Dec 2012	#301
lol no one in this conversation save you has mentioned RoR	azurnoir	Dec 2012	#302
Oh? Am I wrong? Suddenly you're not for RoR anymore??? n/t	shira	Dec 2012	#303
That's the argument made in the OP, however	Scootaloo	Dec 2012	#237
It isn't just a dismissal of other Jews, but a dismissal of a religion and of a democracy,	Democratopia	Dec 2012	#248
oops	King_David	Dec 2012	#297
As I said to another poster, you don't get to define Zionism.	aranthus	Dec 2012	#250
I can't believe you would bring ethnicity into this. In fact, I am appalled.	Democratopia	Dec 2012	#255
It's about ideas of a movement.	aranthus	Dec 2012	#256
I am saying that others have redefined Zionism - it is not me who is defining it.	Democratopia	Dec 2012	#267
There are many different varieties of Zionism, aranthus	Scootaloo	Dec 2012	#268
Yes, of course.	aranthus	Dec 2012	#274
I just go by what the loudest "Pro-Israeli" people keep telling me	Scootaloo	Dec 2012	#280
Zionism is NOT about there not being a Palestinian homeland.	shira	Dec 2012	#272
Iget it from you, Shira	Scootaloo	Dec 2012	#281
No, you really don't. Do you think those claiming "disputed territory"....	shira	Dec 2012	#288
Ahhh, the trolley problem! Sort of. In a stunted fashion.	Scootaloo	Dec 2012	#311
You cheated.	shira	Dec 2012	#313
No, I pointed out the inconsistency of your argument	Scootaloo	Dec 2012	#314
Okay then....so let's make it more similar	shira	Dec 2012	#316
Except that's still not similar; there are alternate choices.	Scootaloo	Dec 2012	#317
No, there aren't alternate choices. He has already started firing away....	shira	Dec 2012	#318
The thought experiment is not a good mirror of reality, Shira	Scootaloo	Dec 2012	#319
While you were typing, 2 more kids were shot dead...	shira	Dec 2012	#320
What do I do?	Scootaloo	Dec 2012	#321
What you just did was let the shooter kill dozens....	shira	Dec 2012	#322
because your example was stupid and far removed from reality.	Scootaloo	Dec 2012	#323
You were in a lose-lose situation. And you chose for dozens to be killed....	shira	Dec 2012	#324
You can't keep your story straight, Shira	Scootaloo	Dec 2012	#325
So the Jews I know who are anti-Zionist are anti-Semitic? Bullfuckingshit. Your post is hatespeech.	MotherPetrie	Dec 2012	#233
Do they support organizations or networks that work & coordinate with....	shira	Dec 2012	#239
We should work to find peaceful solutions.	Democratopia	Dec 2012	#253
Jews live in constant fear in Iran. I know many Persian Jews.....	shira	Dec 2012	#275
It isn't about hating Jews.	Democratopia	Dec 2012	#282
If Hamas and the PA were like the IRA, there'd have been 2 states in 1947.	shira	Dec 2012	#287
That depends on where they are coming from.	aranthus	Dec 2012	#254
I still find it odd that so much fighting has been done over this	rbixby	Dec 2012	#258
Israel is a very successful multi-cultural nation - Muslims, Christians, Druze, Bedouins,	Democratopia	Dec 2012	#269
I agree	rbixby	Dec 2012	#273
Progressives and Liberals cannot ever hope for peace with the Taliban....	shira	Dec 2012	#277
OMG how clever-not what you posted is a wordy rehash of the nefarious rightist line	azurnoir	Dec 2012	#279
No surprise coming from you. You're for Palestinian nationalism....	shira	Dec 2012	#286
I am for Palestinian self determination which you redefine as nationalism	azurnoir	Dec 2012	#289
If Hamas runs the show for a Palestinian state, that's perfectly okay with you....	shira	Dec 2012	#299
No it isn't	intaglio	Dec 2012	#326
What nonsense.	aranthus	Jan 2013	#336
Well apart from the fact you are replying to a month old post	intaglio	Jan 2013	#337
wow..talk about the narrow minded.....	pelsar	May 2013	#357
Syria bombs Palestinian camps. World is silent.	shira	Dec 2012	#327
Mondoweiss: "Israel’s worldwide role in repression"	shira	Jan 2013	#328
Is criticism of Israeli policies and human rights abuses anti-Zionism?	R. Daneel Olivaw	Jan 2013	#329
Is frothing, rightwing obsessive criticism of Islamist countries....	shira	Jan 2013	#330
So you choose not to answer the question, but ask a different multiple-part question?	R. Daneel Olivaw	Jan 2013	#331
We at least agree that frothing, rightwing obsessive criticism of anything....	shira	Jan 2013	#332
Did you intend on answering my earlier question?	R. Daneel Olivaw	Jan 2013	#333
The answer is "no"; unless it's frothing and obsessive criticism....	shira	Jan 2013	#334
"The ethnic majority in Israel are colonial, thieving, ethnic cleansing, genocidal apartheidists"	R. Daneel Olivaw	Jan 2013	#335
That type of demonization of Jews is not legitimate criticism...	shira	Jan 2013	#338
The UN and international community see it differently, but I'm sure you may	R. Daneel Olivaw	Jan 2013	#339
George Galloway doesn't debate Israelis (Jews)	shira	Feb 2013	#340
(VIDEO) Shlomo Sand at SOAS: Israel is “a shitty nation” & “the most racist society in the world”.	shira	Feb 2013	#341
Wow. Shlomo Sand, a professor of History at Tel Aviv University believes	R. Daneel Olivaw	Feb 2013	#342
There's a Palestinian journalist the pro-Palestinians here at DU cannot stand....	shira	Feb 2013	#343
The question wasn't about Khaled Abu Toameh, Shira.	R. Daneel Olivaw	Feb 2013	#344
Another failure by you to answer a simple question. It's obvious all you're capable of here....	shira	Feb 2013	#345
No, Shira, it was YOU who didn't answer the question.	R. Daneel Olivaw	Feb 2013	#346
I feel such a person is a bigot and anti-semite, much like Gilad Atzmon or Bobby Fischer.	shira	Feb 2013	#347
"Fuck him."	R. Daneel Olivaw	Feb 2013	#348
A Jew-baiting Tweet by the Guardian’s Michael White	shira	Mar 2013	#349
Michael White did this to Borat (Sasha Baron Cohen) years ago....	shira	Mar 2013	#353
Israel Apartheid Week bigots toss Israeli out of college campus	shira	Mar 2013	#350
Some Christians like to think America was created to mitigate their persecution by GB etal	randr	Mar 2013	#351
I'm pro American. I would like to opt out of the problem and let...	Walk away	Mar 2013	#352
(VIDEO) Jew Bashing - Anti-Semitism in Europe	shira	May 2013	#354
I should thank you for posting	jessie04	May 2013	#358
(Video) Jew Bashing - Anti-Semitism in the USA	shira	May 2013	#355
Alice Walker recorded @ 42:10: "Zionists will no longer control our Congress". n/t	shira	Jun 2013	#367
(Video) Jew Bashing - Anti-Semitism in the Middle East	shira	May 2013	#356
The New Anti-Semitism	Israeli	May 2013	#359
Did you watch the video you responded to? Or have a problem with it? n/t	shira	May 2013	#361
I watched it shira ....	Israeli	May 2013	#364
So you watched it....and disagree? You don't see antisemitism there?	shira	May 2013	#365
(Video) Jew Bashing - Anti-Semitism in Canada	shira	Jun 2013	#366
(Video) Zionist Muslims: Moderate Islam Must Fight the Radical	shira	Jun 2013	#368
Paul Larudee of the International Solidarity movement: Some "peace" activist	shira	Apr 2014	#369
It's good to see that some are sweating it over the recent movement by Abbas...	R. Daneel Olivaw	Apr 2014	#370
Why anti-Zionism is inherently anti-Semitic (thread at DU)	shira	Nov 2014	#371
Anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism (thread at DU)	shira	Nov 2014	#372
Mondoweiss supports unrepentant terrorist Rasmea Odeh	shira	Nov 2014	#373
JVP haters support terrorist Rasmea Odeh	shira	Nov 2014	#374
Max Blumenthal supports Rasmea Odeh too...	shira	Nov 2014	#378
JVP San Diego sponsored jew hater Alison Weir	shira	Nov 2014	#385
Electronic Intifada supports terrorist murderer Rasmea Odeh	shira	Nov 2014	#375
Cynthia McKinney softball interview w/ gutter anti-Semite Gilad Atzmon	shira	Nov 2014	#376
Max Blumenthal: American Jews are newest whitest WASPs	shira	Nov 2014	#377
New Low: Anti-Israel BDS Connects Ferguson to ‘Palestine’!	shira	Nov 2014	#379
David Sheen's vulgar demonization of orthodox Judaism	shira	Nov 2014	#380
Alison Weir says blood libels were true, pogroms good....	shira	Nov 2014	#381
Mondoweiss says it wouldn't be surprising Israel used actors to fake Holocaust testimony.	shira	Nov 2014	#382
Medea Benjamin goes to Iran to participate in hatefest	shira	Nov 2014	#383
Mondoweiss: Lutherans, PeaceNow & B’Tselem are "enablers of destruction of Palestine".	shira	Nov 2014	#384
Mondoweiss:"Like many Jews of conscience....you're fed-up w/ all things Jewish."	shira	Nov 2014	#386
Neo-Nazi opens Max Blumenthal event sponsored by Jeremy Corbyn MP.	shira	Nov 2014	#387
B'Tselem researcher says Holocaust never happened	shira	Nov 2014	#388
JVP via Mondoweiss: All Jews responsible 4 every Palestinian killed	shira	Nov 2014	#389
UNRWA employees openly celebrate murder of 4 Rabbis in synagogue attack	shira	Nov 2014	#390
Al-Jazeera op-ed praises synagogue murders of 4 Rabbis	shira	Nov 2014	#391
BDS Group Spreads Photoshopped Image of Concentration Camp Inmates Holding Anti-Israel Posters	shira	Nov 2014	#392
Jewish Students Have the Right to Feel Safe on Campus	shira	Dec 2014	#393
Croatia: Anti-Israel Palestinian-propaganda movie co-opts Anne Frank	shira	Dec 2014	#394
Dec 2014: Max Blumenthal does David Duke impersonation on twitter	shira	Dec 2014	#395
"Anti-Imperial" BDS posits Hamas supporters R more progressive than Lib. Zios	shira	Dec 2014	#396
Mondoweiss agrees w/ PLO: Terrorist murderers are freedom fighters	shira	Dec 2014	#398
Mondoweiss: Palestinians (Hamas) have right to self-defense	shira	Aug 2015	#439
Mondoweiss editor denies Jewish Temple history in Jerusalem	shira	Dec 2014	#399
Mondoweiss: Israel is satanic	shira	Dec 2014	#400
Mondoweiss publishes anti-semite & David Duke supporter Jeffrey Blankfort	shira	Dec 2014	#401
No.	elleng	Dec 2014	#402
Phil Weiss is Jewish & many examples in this thread show....	shira	Dec 2014	#404
Daily Kos bans Mondoweiss for being anti-semitic	shira	Dec 2014	#403
Mondoweiss counts Jews; just like Stormfront & Jew Watch	shira	Dec 2014	#405
Mondoweiss whitewashes Hamas: "Understanding Hamas"	shira	Dec 2014	#406
Max Blumenthal calls on Israeli Jews to indigenize themselves in mideast...	shira	Dec 2014	#407
Max Blumenthal supports Hamas rockets and terror tunnels into Israel	shira	Dec 2014	#408
Dec. 6, 2014: BrightonBDS says beware of Zionist support for foodbanks	shira	Dec 2014	#409
Mondoweiss defends Hamas refusal to change grotesque, racist, genocidal charter....	shira	Dec 2014	#410
Pro-Hamas Middle East Monitor (MEMO): Why Hamas shouldn't change charter...	shira	Dec 2014	#411
+972 with ridiculous article explaining away Hamas terror tunnels...	shira	Dec 2014	#412
So-called "Human Rights Watch" defends Hamas war crimes.....	shira	Dec 2014	#413
Lots of evidence of BDS hero David Sheen's ugly anti-semitism...	shira	Dec 2014	#414
10% of Mondoweiss funding comes from conservative, rightwing racist Ron Unz...	shira	Dec 2014	#415
Mondoweiss happy to publish longtime Jew hater Jeffrey Blankfort...	shira	Dec 2014	#416
Greta Berlin of FreeGaza & ISM claims Israel behind Charlie Hebdo attack in Paris	shira	Jan 2015	#417
FreeGaza, ISM, BDS'er Mary Hughes Thompson blames Zionists for Paris attack...	shira	Jan 2015	#418
S.African pro-terror BDS hosts double-hijacker Leila Khaled	shira	Jan 2015	#419
Mondoweiss: Doubling down with injection of truth..Terrorists = freedom fighters	shira	Jan 2015	#420
Pro-Hezbollah group #NYC2Palestine and JVP disrupted NYC council Auschwitz vote.	shira	Jan 2015	#421
UN Spox Chris Gunness runs cover for UNRWA Union's Holocaust denial	shira	Apr 2015	#422
Why equating Israel w/Nazis is soft-core Holocaust Denial	shira	Apr 2015	#423
"Pro-Palestinians" don't seem to be "pro-anyone"	shira	Apr 2015	#424
The Humanitarian Show	shira	Apr 2015	#425
There's something very ugly in this rage against Israel	shira	Apr 2015	#426
I think you should call an exorcist who can lay this thread to rest. n/t	Little Tich	Apr 2015	#428
You say you're strongly against hate & this thread proves beyond any....	shira	Jun 2015	#435
and Anti-Manifest Destiny is anti-White-Male Tyranny	Stargleamer	Apr 2015	#427
Mondoweiss is a hate site	shira	May 2015	#429
Hamas supporters behind latest Flotilla from Sweden	shira	May 2015	#430
HRW's Ken Roth's very 1st tweet about Nepal disaster criticizes Israeli aid	shira	May 2015	#431
72% of EU Jews regard BDS as anti-Semitic:	shira	May 2015	#432
Lancet Medical Journal publishes lies & incitement from David Duke & 911 supporters	shira	May 2015	#433
President Obama says anti-Zionism = anti-Semitism	shira	Jun 2015	#434
South African BDS protesters threaten to kill Jews	shira	Jun 2015	#436
Phil Weiss of Mondoweiss counting Jews...	shira	Jun 2015	#437
Mondoweiss & Holocaust Deniers	shira	Jun 2015	#438
Mondoweiss still on the fence regarding antisemite, Alison Weir	shira	Aug 2015	#441
Just when Mondoweiss couldn't get more idiotic, THEY DO....	shira	Jan 2016	#442
Amira Hass of Haaretz actually invokes "Elders of Zion"	shira	Jan 2016	#443
Gideon Levy justifies, incites more attacks on Jewish kids, elderly, pregnant women....	shira	Jan 2016	#444
(Brilliant) Open letter to the anti-Israel Left.	shira	Feb 2016	#445
I can't decide whether Jews Down Under is a hate site or not. What do you think?	Little Tich	Feb 2016	#448
I'm not convinced it is. But that Open Letter nailed it, don't you think? n/t	shira	Feb 2016	#449
Oh, the post I replied to? Forgot about that, I was too busy attacking the messenger...	Little Tich	Feb 2016	#450
But all of that is 100% true. Try naming one thing that's false in that paragraph. n/t	shira	Feb 2016	#453
No. You try naming one of them leftist the article is "responding" to... n/t	Little Tich	Feb 2016	#454
That's easy...	shira	Feb 2016	#455
Well played...	Little Tich	Feb 2016	#456
It's just about removing settlements & ending occupation? Please.	shira	Feb 2016	#457
This is getting off-topic, but do you have a point with the 1947 partition plan?	Little Tich	Feb 2016	#458
Your being against the '47 Partition Plan shows you want the Jewish State gone...	shira	Feb 2016	#459
I'm not a -stater at all, so you can stop bifurcating...	Little Tich	Feb 2016	#460
If you want a solution where civil rights are retained....	shira	Feb 2016	#461
I'm beginning to have problems with physically navigating this mammoth of a thread.	Little Tich	Feb 2016	#464
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Feb 2016	#446
No.	elleng	Feb 2016	#451
HAMAS is the natural consequence of Zionist aggression against the farmers in Palestine..	Bohemianwriter	Feb 2016	#452
"globalresearch" is your go to source?	grossproffit	Feb 2016	#462
Is there a problem with the source?	Bohemianwriter	Feb 2016	#463
John Mearsheimer endorses Far-Right racist Ron Unz	shira	Jun 2016	#465
Holocaust denier defends David Duke on Mondoweiss benefactor Ron Unz website...	shira	Jun 2016	#466
Mondoweiss: The meritocracy is rigged	Little Tich	Jun 2016	#469
Andrew Gelman completely ripped Unz's research...	shira	Jun 2016	#470
It's unconceivable that Philip Weiss is unaware of the extent of Unz's racialist ideas,	Little Tich	Jun 2016	#471
Of course Weiss knows. Now look into Paul Craig Roberts & tell me what you find. n/t	shira	Jun 2016	#472
Not interested in researching Paul Craig Roberts?	shira	Jun 2016	#475
I was unaware of his existence until you told me about him.	Little Tich	Jun 2016	#476
Ron Unz financially supports Paul Craig Roberts, Mondoweiss, Alison Weir....	shira	Jun 2016	#477
Mondoweiss article deliberately incites vs. Jews, mistranslating hebrew to english...	shira	Jun 2016	#467
Historians rebut Ken Livingstone’s claim that Hitler supported Zionism	shira	Jun 2016	#468
Netanyahu's a perfect person	libodem	Jun 2016	#473
Helps if you actually read the OP rather than posting strawmen. n/t	shira	Jun 2016	#474
Mondoweiss defends antisemitic Mahmoud Abbas libel re: Rabbi poisoning water....	shira	Jun 2016	#478
Founder of Breaking the Silence antisemitic libel: Israeli settlers poisoning Palestinian water	shira	Jun 2016	#479
Kick.	Mosby	May 2019	#481

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