Israel/Palestine

Shaktimaan

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61. No...

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 10:54 AM

Jun 2012

but it depends whether we are discussing overall human rights or liberal ideologies as they are upheld in a country (as we often discuss here re: Israel), or if we are discussing discrimination against a specific group. When in a discussion about Israeli Arabs' equal rights or lack thereof has the first post been about Israel's great track record regarding gay rights?

Never. The OP was about anti-semitism. Posting an article about gay rights in response does nothing to refute the OP. Had you waited until someone commented on human rights in general being lacking in Norway, then....

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Norway's Holocaust inverters [View all] King_David Jun 2012 OP

Norway legalises gay marriage shaayecanaan Jun 2012 #1

Am I missing something here? William769 Jun 2012 #2

I was wondering the same thing. nt King_David Jun 2012 #3

well is recognizing Gay Marriage a benchmark of respect for Human Rights? azurnoir Jun 2012 #4

Well it beats the hell out of being hanged or stoned to death. William769 Jun 2012 #5

well then you have the reason for comment #1 n/t azurnoir Jun 2012 #6

Actually no, comment 1 has absolutely nothing to do with the OP at all. King_David Jun 2012 #7

interesting azurnoir Jun 2012 #10

Apparently we can only post articles about gays in Israel... shaayecanaan Jun 2012 #13

No... Shaktimaan Jun 2012 #61

Still not following. William769 Jun 2012 #8

what was deceiving about the comment it seemed pretty straight forward to me eta azurnoir Jun 2012 #9

What do you think of Norway, by the way? shaayecanaan Jun 2012 #14

Norway has it's good points and it's bad points, as do all Countries. William769 Jun 2012 #15

Well... shaayecanaan Jun 2012 #23

What language are you reading that in? William769 Jun 2012 #25

Can I just say what an honour it is... shaayecanaan Jun 2012 #43

Can someone filter out the saccharine in this Ruby the Liberal Jun 2012 #45

Well I have been here a long time also. William769 Jun 2012 #48

You sound like my kind of man, William shaayecanaan Jun 2012 #58

Whats his religion got to do with anything? nt King_David Jun 2012 #73

Sorry, not Catholic. William769 Jun 2012 #80

Some of my best friends are Protestants, William (nt) shaayecanaan Jun 2012 #82

Clearly the campaign to label Norway as an essentially neo-Nazi country Ken Burch Jun 2012 #51

Who has labeled Norway as an essentially neo-Nazi country? William769 Jun 2012 #60

Those with a gift for mind reading Dick Dastardly Jun 2012 #101

Norway refuses gay Iraqi asylum, says ‘go home, be discreet’ King_David Jun 2012 #78

Bad Norway, bad. Actually, this is a good exercise in delegitimization.... shira Jun 2012 #83

Thanks shira it shows how just because a country has liberal Gay Rights laws for its citizens azurnoir Jun 2012 #86

Norway is widely acknowledged for being liberal/progressive and #1 on the peace index... shira Jun 2012 #89

I think you've 'accidently' left out a word azurnoir Jun 2012 #93

Advertising Israel's gay rights record is not used at all for pink washing... shira Jun 2012 #108

In fact, Israel's position on LGBT rights Ken Burch Jun 2012 #50

BS Shaktimaan Jun 2012 #62

The argument is being made as we speak (in this very thread) shaayecanaan Jun 2012 #72

apparently Iraq too azurnoir Jun 2012 #88

Only in your mind oberliner Jun 2012 #90

actually yes it is being made look around n/t azurnoir Jun 2012 #98

I think you may be missing some sarcasm oberliner Jun 2012 #103

sarcasm in all caps? okay then azurnoir Jun 2012 #104

Not really meant to be a "save" oberliner Jun 2012 #105

IMO the argument was in earnest at least it seemed that way azurnoir Jun 2012 #106

That was not what Ken gave as his argument. Shaktimaan Jun 2012 #112

+1. nt King_David Jun 2012 #113

So you would support the US remaining in Afghanistan... shaayecanaan Jun 2012 #115

Relevance? Shaktimaan Jun 2012 #116

This message was self-deleted by its author shaayecanaan Jun 2012 #117

very well written pelsar Jun 2012 #127

Norway refuses gay Iraqi asylum, says ‘go home, be discreet’ King_David Jun 2012 #77

Interesting more from your article and a question azurnoir Jun 2012 #81

No country should be given a pass on fundamental humen rights King_David Jun 2012 #84

So I take you believe the US should keep its full military occupation of Iraq until it brings its azurnoir Jun 2012 #85

Of course King_David Jun 2012 #91

so no country that discriminates against minorities should be allowed to exist? azurnoir Jun 2012 #92

You do not think it is a fucking big big deal ? King_David Jun 2012 #94

you do realize you are talking about most if not the entire world? azurnoir Jun 2012 #95

NO COUNTRY DISCRIMINATING AGAINST GAYS King_David Jun 2012 #96

and maybe you are editing your statements to make them less extreme azurnoir Jun 2012 #97

I refuse to discuss this with you any further, King_David Jun 2012 #100

except show me where I've done any of those things azurnoir Jun 2012 #102

in addition what I meant by editing is that you started out with minorities and then azurnoir Jun 2012 #99

Well look what others say about your argument, King_David Jun 2012 #119

if you follow the comments which led to that post you'll find azurnoir Jun 2012 #122

Ha Ha ok King_David Jun 2012 #123

It's ok I do understand azurnoir Jun 2012 #124

Cool then no need for an 'Alert' King_David Jun 2012 #125

you were going to alert on my behalf? I am touched but no need n/t azurnoir Jun 2012 #126

fuck it, go ahead and alert on it shaayecanaan Jun 2012 #128

I suppose deporting one Arab is a tragedy... shaayecanaan Jun 2012 #107

It's a misrepresent related to the oft cited Israeli support of gay rights. aranthus Jun 2012 #11

Or to put it another way... shaayecanaan Jun 2012 #22

Except that 's a misrepresentation of the argument made by pro-Israelis. aranthus Jun 2012 #37

well this OP is based on a presumed liberal attacking Norway azurnoir Jun 2012 #38

Again, you're misrepresenting the context. aranthus Jun 2012 #39

and so simply make more accusations of the same type if you support this then you also support that azurnoir Jun 2012 #40

You are still not getting it. aranthus Jun 2012 #44

but I do get it azurnoir Jun 2012 #49

No Azurnoir, you really don't get it. WHERE will the refugees go if not Israel? shira Jun 2012 #55

claims about Abbas not allowing Palestinian refugees in Palestine are ridculous twaddle azurnoir Jun 2012 #66

Where have you ever read or heard that Abbas would grant citizenship to refugees... shira Jun 2012 #68

Are all Jews automatically citizens of Israel? azurnoir Jun 2012 #69

You took "automatically" out of context, even within the excerpt you cited... shira Jun 2012 #71

you danced around answering are Jews automatically citizens of Israel? azurnoir Jun 2012 #75

DO YOU? Shaktimaan Jun 2012 #64

UNRWA wishes to destroy Israel ? azurnoir Jun 2012 #67

No, probably not. Shaktimaan Jun 2012 #70

well thanks azurnoir Jun 2012 #87

Nobody on this forum "supports Iran"(or, as you ACTUALLY MEANT, supports the Iranian government). Ken Burch Jun 2012 #52

"Nobody supports Hamas"..... shira Jun 2012 #59

For those not in the know... shaayecanaan Jun 2012 #12

"Pinkwashing", which is BS by the way, isn't remotely as bad as Team Palestine's loathing... shira Jun 2012 #17

Expendable. Exactly. Ruby the Liberal Jun 2012 #18

so Ruby do you believe that the fact Gay Rights in the West Bank are not on par wiith Israel's azurnoir Jun 2012 #19

I think they are unrelated topics. Ruby the Liberal Jun 2012 #20

well I would agree however you also agreed with shira's comment azurnoir Jun 2012 #21

I am not following the question. Ruby the Liberal Jun 2012 #30

Perhaps the outrage azurnoir Jun 2012 #31

Gay rights is a losing argument for anti-Israel agitators for "human rights".... shira Jun 2012 #24

are Gay rights part of a broader package of Human Rights yes or no? azurnoir Jun 2012 #32

You prove the point perfectly. GLBT's will just have to suck it up longer... shira Jun 2012 #33

So I support Hamas because I support a Palestinian state azurnoir Jun 2012 #34

What do you call it when you've got a problem with legit criticism of Hamas? shira Jun 2012 #35

et another either/or azurnoir Jun 2012 #36

There's nothing anybody outside Palestine can do about Hamas Ken Burch Jun 2012 #54

So then there's nothing 'progressive' pro-Palestinian, anti-Israel advocates would do... shira Jun 2012 #56

Bullshit. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #63

So what will you and your fellow advocates for Palestinian human rights do for Palestinians.... shira Jun 2012 #65

On a side bar it may interest you to know that same sex acts were decriminalized Dick Dastardly Jun 2012 #42

Neither Palestinian women, Christians, moderate liberals or children Ken Burch Jun 2012 #53

So let's get this straight. You'll only oppose Israel, not Palestine WRT human rights violations... shira Jun 2012 #57

Sigh another broad and inaccurate statement King_David Jun 2012 #26

Spartacus is more a Sex guide to travel. King_David Jun 2012 #27

I do not think that is the argument. aranthus Jun 2012 #46

+1 King_David Jun 2012 #74

Any port in a storm in this group, William. Ruby the Liberal Jun 2012 #16

Norway refuses gay Iraqi asylum, says ‘go home, be discreet’ King_David Jun 2012 #76

Norway: Jewish student is branded with a red-hot coin in anti-Semitic attack King_David Jun 2012 #28

LA Times on Israel: Rising racism, homophobia and discrimination shaayecanaan Jun 2012 #41

Jan.23, 2011 King_David Jun 2012 #47

Norway and the Gays, King_David Jun 2012 #79

New Israel Norway ambassador appointed King_David Jun 2012 #29

Palestinians on hunger strike in Israel attract world’s attention; in Norway we just let them die shira Jun 2012 #109

seems you found a different source than your OP on this, why ever would you do that? azurnoir Jun 2012 #118

What do you think I'm up to? Be very specific. shira Jun 2012 #120

I think you found a rather biased and shrill piece that concentrates only on your claims azurnoir Jun 2012 #121

Really spurious points and accusations in the piece.. Alamuti Lotus Jun 2012 #110

So you wouldn't have a problem with 38% of any population equating Hamas & PLO actions to Nazis? n/t shira Jun 2012 #111

Why are you asking me about specifics on something I already generally dismissed as spurious? Alamuti Lotus Jun 2012 #114

I don't think its that Individualism Jun 2012 #129

Excuse mzmolly Jun 2012 #130

In the minds of most jew haters Individualism Jun 2012 #131

Ridiculous. Sounds like renewed Nazism. mzmolly Jun 2012 #132