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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
147. The fact that the IDF hasn't militarily defeated Hamas yet
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 09:36 PM
Jun 2012

proves that they can't. Don't you get it?

Nothing different could possibly happen if the IDF went back to Gaza. If they couldn't win the first time, they never can win.
I mean, fine, they could hit the place with nuclear warheads...but even pelsar wouldn't say that that was acceptable. They tried EVERY possible tactic. Going back would be acting out the definition of insanity.

Therefore, the answer is to stop thinking of the issue in strictly military terms.

Anyone care to make a case for Jordan? Saudi Arabia? aquart Jun 2012 #1
more King_David Jun 2012 #2
LGBT culture in Israel is NOT dependent Ken Burch Jun 2012 #4
Do you agree with this RIDICULOUS statement by a 'professor' no less, King_David Jun 2012 #10
Do you believe that attitude towards gays is the sole judgement of a country? yes or no azurnoir Jun 2012 #11
The countries with the best human rights record also have the best record with respect to gay rights oberliner Jun 2012 #13
In some cases yes in others not so much however that was not the question n/t azurnoir Jun 2012 #17
Does the EU's stellar "human rights" record apply to the Roma too azurnoir Jun 2012 #25
The EU does not have a stellar human rights record oberliner Jun 2012 #37
Thank you for mentioning Scandinavias record on human rights azurnoir Jun 2012 #38
You are welcome oberliner Jun 2012 #42
well thank you you seem to be admiting that despite having some of the most progressive laws azurnoir Jun 2012 #45
There's a liberal case for Israel's existence Ken Burch Jun 2012 #3
so whats the liberal case.... pelsar Jun 2012 #6
same as the 'liberal case' for creating any other country azurnoir Jun 2012 #7
Post removed Post removed Jun 2012 #15
You married to Anne Coulter ? King_David Jun 2012 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author azurnoir Jun 2012 #18
Yep I alerted on the repulsive post, King_David Jun 2012 #19
Repulsive it was plainly tongue in cheek but getting the right jury here is all important isn't it? azurnoir Jun 2012 #20
' it was plainly tongue in cheek ' King_David Jun 2012 #21
The post was not in the slightest homophobic it did not mention Gays at all azurnoir Jun 2012 #22
How does a post talk about 'Gay marriage'' King_David Jun 2012 #26
But anyone who has read the post knows he said his wife did not support Gay marriage azurnoir Jun 2012 #27
Well then read it again. King_David Jun 2012 #28
I did you got a post removed over the poster wifes views? azurnoir Jun 2012 #29
BTW anyone can read the edit you made after my reply. King_David Jun 2012 #30
actually I made the edit after I reread the post but believe what ever pleases you azurnoir Jun 2012 #31
Link to my reply. King_David Jun 2012 #33
IOW you can not or do not wish to reply directly? n/t azurnoir Jun 2012 #34
I would like to answer this too. Dick Dastardly Jun 2012 #156
Could you please post the alert and jury decision ? I am most curious about this azurnoir Jun 2012 #32
OK I hope it is not against the rules: King_David Jun 2012 #35
No it is not against the rules I do have ethics however I disagree with jury azurnoir Jun 2012 #36
I can not improve on the reply Oberliner gave you, King_David Jun 2012 #23
Oh I'm sure you could I would really appreciate it in your own words azurnoir Jun 2012 #24
well i'm with you... pelsar Jun 2012 #41
In this particular case I find it kind of well scary it shows that either azurnoir Jun 2012 #46
that i've noticed for a long time.... pelsar Jun 2012 #49
whats the liberal case for supporting the creation of a dictatorship..... pelsar Jun 2012 #39
Doesn't Israel allow Rabbi;s authority over domestic laws marriage and such? azurnoir Jun 2012 #44
if your going to compare...keep it apples to apples.. pelsar Jun 2012 #47
so are we to take that the PA is enforcing women being veiled or cutting off thieves hands? azurnoir Jun 2012 #53
maybe.... pelsar Jun 2012 #54
Because your question seems to work on the assumption that the West Bank will be a theocracy azurnoir Jun 2012 #59
so you see no "indication" that its a real possibility? pelsar Jun 2012 #62
your comments on Arab/Muslim countries being alike reminds me of the not too distant past azurnoir Jun 2012 #67
you've had your accusation...now back to the subject pelsar Jun 2012 #72
an accusation that whether or not you realize it you confirmed azurnoir Jun 2012 #73
well that only took a few years.... (your viewpoint) pelsar Jun 2012 #75
You left out the first part of my comment-again azurnoir Jun 2012 #77
heres the response... pelsar Jun 2012 #95
So now you claim that Jordan is actively shooting right now at Israel cross border? azurnoir Jun 2012 #101
no.....it occurs rarely but it does occur-attacks from Jordan pelsar Jun 2012 #105
an answer at least in part azurnoir Jun 2012 #111
evacuating the west bank?...not going to happen... pelsar Jun 2012 #112
yes lets amuse readers more shall we azurnoir Jun 2012 #124
i see you've been ignoring my question about gaza ......but i'll amuse you and then ask again pelsar Jun 2012 #125
Lets summarize okay azurnoir Jun 2012 #157
thats your summary?...its self serving... pelsar Jun 2012 #163
talk about self serving summaries ? azurnoir Jun 2012 #164
gaza...went back and found no specifics...just the usual generalities....but pelsar Jun 2012 #166
well...... azurnoir Jun 2012 #170
there was no door no 3.......never was pelsar Jun 2012 #172
so your the dungeon master I take it? azurnoir Jun 2012 #175
i just don't close my eyes....and pretend events couldnt happen..... pelsar Jun 2012 #176
I;m a RW nationist because I point out Gaza could have benn better handled than it was by Bush azurnoir Jun 2012 #177
if your preference is for a theocratic govt vs a secular one....based on genes..... pelsar Jun 2012 #178
again a self serving ultimatum if I don't support this then I support that azurnoir Jun 2012 #179
its not a matter of supporting...its a matter of what is least worst choice.... pelsar Jun 2012 #180
so your saying that Bush and Olmert were naive idealists? azurnoir Jun 2012 #181
now you getting close.... pelsar Jun 2012 #182
well I'll hand it to you it isn't often we see someone proclaim themselves azurnoir Jun 2012 #183
its goes with being independent.... pelsar Jun 2012 #184
well maybe most Israelis don't want West Bank but do they want the Israelis living there as azurnoir Jun 2012 #185
as i mentioned......the Palestinians and friends might want to face reality.... pelsar Jun 2012 #186
I take it the answer is no azurnoir Jun 2012 #187
Hamas would not have gone away in Gaza or lost support there Ken Burch Jun 2012 #126
you assume to much.... pelsar Jun 2012 #162
I don't support creating a religious-based dictatorship Ken Burch Jun 2012 #8
do you really need another history lesson?...how many times do i have to teach you? pelsar Jun 2012 #40
You can't compare the situation in Palestine now with postwar Germany and Japan Ken Burch Jun 2012 #43
wow...why do you think so little of the Palestinians?. pelsar Jun 2012 #48
I think highly of the Palestinians Ken Burch Jun 2012 #50
you have to lay off the kool aid...... pelsar Jun 2012 #51
NOTHING I said equates to the belief Ken Burch Jun 2012 #52
no...you don't know.... pelsar Jun 2012 #55
I don't operate out of blind faith in anything...and I'm not addicted to anything. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #56
then stop contradicting yourself..... pelsar Jun 2012 #57
I admit I was wrong about the Brits. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #58
'In truth, none of them are. None at all.' King_David Jun 2012 #60
It's self-evident. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #61
So you have no data or proof or poll or anything? King_David Jun 2012 #65
Nobody in the Zionist community was thankful for the British military presence Ken Burch Jun 2012 #127
Ken, what do you make of the many Palestinians who prefer Israeli rule over Hamas/PA control? shira Jun 2012 #131
Most of those who want something other than Hamas do not want that something Ken Burch Jun 2012 #133
They prefer IDF rule over Hamas. And you could seemingly care less... shira Jun 2012 #135
I'm talking a federation...that's different than a unitary state. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #139
The occupation of Gaza/West Bank did not make Hamas oberliner Jun 2012 #142
The fact that the IDF hasn't militarily defeated Hamas yet Ken Burch Jun 2012 #147
I don't really disagree with anything here oberliner Jun 2012 #168
Four people isn't "many" Ken Burch Jun 2012 #141
More denial. It's not difficult at all to believe when considering.... shira Jun 2012 #146
OK...logical problem with your position then... Ken Burch Jun 2012 #148
Still pushing the rightwing one state solution, Ken? shira Jun 2012 #149
I don't agree that they prefer the Occupation. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #150
A significant number of Palestinians prefer occupation to Hamas or the PA... shira Jun 2012 #151
NONE? 100%? pelsar Jun 2012 #63
Stop acting like an interrogator. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #64
its you who is insulting ......to the Palestenians pelsar Jun 2012 #66
Facts for Ken: A Palestinian who would accept settlements & many Palestinians who prefer occupation shira Jun 2012 #68
facts for shira Ray Hanania is an American comedian who resides in Chicago azurnoir Jun 2012 #74
And Ali Abuminah is an American who also resides in Chicago oberliner Jun 2012 #76
true however last I looked no one was promoting Abuminah for President of the PA azurnoir Jun 2012 #78
True oberliner Jun 2012 #113
The point is Hanania is a popular, American liberal Palestinian voice... shira Jun 2012 #119
so that's your point huh? well thanks the thing is Hanania who is along with azurnoir Jun 2012 #123
LOL. Hanania and Toameh are centrist/rightist? But they're for 2 states... shira Jun 2012 #132
Khaled Abu Tomeh was born in the West Bank and lives in Jerusalem oberliner Jun 2012 #137
actually Ray wasn't so funny... pelsar Jun 2012 #97
Who are some of your favorite comedians? oberliner Jun 2012 #114
So attacking the messenger, not the substance, is all you've got. Here's more substance... shira Jun 2012 #79
The cognitive dissonance must be tough to deal with, huh? azurnoir Jun 2012 #80
How many more sources do you need? You think those sources are fake, right? n/t shira Jun 2012 #82
no I do not think they're fake at moreover that is not what I've said is it? seems your looking for azurnoir Jun 2012 #90
So if they're not fake, they're legit. They show many, many Palestinians prefer.... shira Jun 2012 #96
so what percantage of the the 4 million Palestinians living in the OPT and Gaza does azurnoir Jun 2012 #98
Read those quotes... shira Jun 2012 #118
Why are you so obsessed with preserving the settlements, shira? Ken Burch Jun 2012 #81
Seems you guys are for preserving settlements. If it were up to me, they wouldn't... shira Jun 2012 #83
I'm not on a "team". Ken Burch Jun 2012 #84
Ken, it's silly for you to argue against settlements & occupation.... shira Jun 2012 #85
OK. I can accept that they can have a nominal claim to a few bits of land in the West Bank. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #86
So it's not theft... shira Jun 2012 #87
"Jordan is Palestine" is discredited. Only the racist far right in Israel still argues for that. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #89
Do you agree it has a majority Palestinian population and was meant to be... shira Jun 2012 #93
My apologies if I got the political party thing wrong Ken Burch Jun 2012 #103
Kadima has moved Israeli right-wingers significantly towards the Left.... shira Jun 2012 #120
It can't be fair to say that Israel has claims to the West Bank Ken Burch Jun 2012 #91
If the Arab Spring comes to Jordan and the Palestinian majority starts ruling... shira Jun 2012 #94
Israel doesn't need settlements to have the high ground Ken Burch Jun 2012 #99
Based on what? holdencaufield Jun 2012 #100
Egypt MADE peace with Israel in 1978. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #102
Apparently, it does... holdencaufield Jun 2012 #104
I don't think I said making peace with the Palestinians would end ALL threats Ken Burch Jun 2012 #106
You said... holdencaufield Jun 2012 #107
And what I said there was still not the same thing Ken Burch Jun 2012 #108
Show me where I said... holdencaufield Jun 2012 #109
That's the basis for your whole argument Ken Burch Jun 2012 #116
The next time you're going to tell me what I think... holdencaufield Jun 2012 #122
when will you quit talking down to the arabs?...when pelsar Jun 2012 #110
I'm not talking down to them Ken Burch Jun 2012 #115
Colonialism didn't die....its just went left pelsar Jun 2012 #128
I don't have to demand that Palestinians change their leadership BEFORE getting self-determination Ken Burch Jun 2012 #130
Ken, if you don't support a theocratic religious dictatorship in Gaza, then why... shira Jun 2012 #134
Your link found FOUR Palestinians who want the IDF back in Gaza Ken Burch Jun 2012 #136
Denial. Now you don't believe the Palestinians when they tell you most prefer the IDF... shira Jun 2012 #138
You've got some of your facts wrong here oberliner Jun 2012 #140
in 1967(as I believe shira pointed out)what would become Hamas existed Ken Burch Jun 2012 #143
Everything you have written here is not correct oberliner Jun 2012 #144
People started listening to Hamas Ken Burch Jun 2012 #145
Hamas won political power due to Israel's withdrawal, not b/c of settlements... shira Jun 2012 #165
I appreciate you sharing your insights oberliner Jun 2012 #169
this is simple...just try to answer it with a short answer... pelsar Jun 2012 #167
Here's two simple responses Ken Burch Jun 2012 #171
oh...so you prefer to live in fantasy land...while ignoring the consequences... pelsar Jun 2012 #173
It's not living in fantasy land Ken Burch Jun 2012 #174
So you're arguing that nobody should even try to end this conflict Ken Burch Jun 2012 #117
on the contrary... pelsar Jun 2012 #129
So Israel requires some of the mountain range for security if you say some IDF personnel.... shira Jun 2012 #121
Since you're against the occupation, Ken, are you in favor of unilateral withdrawal... shira Jun 2012 #9
It isn't a simple "either/or". Ken Burch Jun 2012 #12
Then look into it. I would think anti-occupation "progressives" like yrself... shira Jun 2012 #14
lol still trying huh quite the challange there take what ever Israel is willing give sight unseen or azurnoir Jun 2012 #69
You keep making things up, like unilateral withdrawal is an Israeli ultimatum... shira Jun 2012 #70
I did not say or mean Israel was posing an ultimatum azurnoir Jun 2012 #71
Thanks for the advertisment for Jonathan Miller's new book azurnoir Jun 2012 #5
The Liberal case for anything Israeli really drives anti-Israel nuts up the wall.... shira Jun 2012 #88
No my point was that the OP is not a news story of any kind, it is in fact an advertisment azurnoir Jun 2012 #92
Seems to be a very successful thread,nevertheless nt King_David Jun 2012 #152
yes it does it is, indeed a testament in and of it self azurnoir Jun 2012 #153
yep King_David Jun 2012 #154
But in your own words exactly what is it a testament to why do you think the Hosts of this group azurnoir Jun 2012 #155
If you click on the link King_David Jun 2012 #158
Thanks however I asked for your own words not a rehash of something you already posted here n/t azurnoir Jun 2012 #159
Ha King_David Jun 2012 #160
well then by that standard I have 30 years to go azurnoir Jun 2012 #161
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