Israel/Palestine

oberliner

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47. Tomb of the Patriarchs in Hebron

Thu Sep 24, 2015, 03:17 PM

Sep 2015

In theory all of Hebron is considered a Jewish holy city, but in particular the tombs of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Leah, Rebecca, and Sarah.

The Tomb of the Patriarchs is considered the second holiest site in Judaism after the Temple Mount.

Today the site is under the control of the Muslim Waqf who have made attempts to de-Judaize the location and do not allow access to Jews to the tombs of Isaac and Rebecca.

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Jews Barred From Temple Mount Ahead of Muslim Holiday [View all] oberliner Sep 2015 OP

The reverse was true the last few days unc70 Sep 2015 #1

Israel has a permanent de facto blockade of that area and forbids most geek tragedy Sep 2015 #2

That's a lie oberliner Sep 2015 #7

I don't think there should be a war with Jordan. geek tragedy Sep 2015 #14

Nor do I oberliner Sep 2015 #17

the people praying are merely the foot in the door, the tip of the spear. geek tragedy Sep 2015 #22

So freedom only applies to some Mosby Oct 2015 #95

No, that's the Israeli position. I know you and your fellow travelers really geek tragedy Oct 2015 #113

Wishful thinking King_David Oct 2015 #114

go on and whistle past that graveyard. geek tragedy Oct 2015 #116

Try push that Zionist square through your circle King_David Oct 2015 #118

hey, feel free to demonstrate how Israel can withdraw from the West Bank geek tragedy Oct 2015 #120

1000 years King_David Oct 2015 #121

so you don't have an argument that Israel can leave the west bank. geek tragedy Oct 2015 #122

He never did. That's why his arguments always fall on their face. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #142

Is Bernie Sanders a "Hasbarist"? King_David Sep 2015 #9

Mosques are being blown up around the world with countless Muslims killed oberliner Sep 2015 #10

Of course ... King_David Sep 2015 #11

There's always the Kotel that Jews can pray at. Right? R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2015 #63

What the fuck are you going on about? Mosby Oct 2015 #94

There is no site. It's a mosque. It's been a mosque for 1,400 years. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #102

The mosque was built on top of two temples Mosby Oct 2015 #104

Wrong as you usually are. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #106

that's an interesting "progressive" opinion RDO Mosby Oct 2015 #117

Give up Judaism holiest site he says and go pray somewhere else he says King_David Oct 2015 #119

Christians did pretty well when they decided to give up on holy sites and Crusades and turned geek tragedy Oct 2015 #133

Agreed , for both sides.. King_David Oct 2015 #134

You think religious Christians are worth emulating? King_David Oct 2015 #137

no, pointing out that their fortunes picked up when they stopped obsessing geek tragedy Oct 2015 #138

Yes, I do have the chutzpah to stand up for the victims. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #139

"Give up Judaism holiest site..." R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #140

The poster your engaging seems to have become a critic of Jewish faith and articles King_David Oct 2015 #115

"The poster your engaging seems to have become a critic of Jewish faith and articles" R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #141

Lol, no it was not built on top of a temple. It was built on top of the geek tragedy Oct 2015 #123

the alaksa mosque was built in the 700s Mosby Oct 2015 #124

And proof that Muhammed ascended to heaven from Jerusalem ? King_David Oct 2015 #125

do you realize how stupid it looks for one side in a religous dispute to complain that the other geek tragedy Oct 2015 #127

I am an Atheist myself, King_David Oct 2015 #128

both sides are peddling superstitions, but it's not superstitions geek tragedy Oct 2015 #129

Agreed King_David Oct 2015 #130

all religion is myth by definition, as is your claim that the mosque was built on top of a temple geek tragedy Oct 2015 #126

So you accept that the Royal Stoa existed? oberliner Oct 2015 #131

I see no reason to dispute that 1900 years ago there was a Jewish temple there. geek tragedy Oct 2015 #132

Do you think Mohammed ascended to heaven at the spot where the Dome of the Rock is located? oberliner Oct 2015 #135

I don't believe in supernatural events, so no. nt geek tragedy Oct 2015 #136

Bernie Sanders is not taking a position to the right geek tragedy Sep 2015 #12

With the anti Zionist rhetoric and anti Israel extremism King_David Sep 2015 #16

Bernie is more responsible than Netanyahu. geek tragedy Sep 2015 #29

Bernies views on Israel are identical to half those posting in this group King_David Sep 2015 #40

Who are you calling an anti-zionist, dave? R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2015 #64

Step away from politics for a moment oberliner Sep 2015 #20

The issue isn't Jews standing around praying, it's what follows after that. geek tragedy Sep 2015 #23

Of course a few Jews from a total of 12 Million should not be allowed to pray at their holiest site King_David Sep 2015 #24

You're deliberately ignoring the point, this is not about "a few Jews." geek tragedy Sep 2015 #25

So best to trample on Minority rights King_David Sep 2015 #26

Who is Faldo? oberliner Sep 2015 #27

Ha ha King_David Sep 2015 #41

Jews are the majority, dominant, privileged group inside Israel. geek tragedy Sep 2015 #28

But we're talking about Jews standing around just mumbling quietly to themselves. oberliner Sep 2015 #31

Do you really think that it would end with very small groups standing around mumbling to themselves? geek tragedy Sep 2015 #37

"But we're talking about Jews standing around just mumbling quietly to themselves." R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2015 #66

The very reason the Jewish state exists King_David Sep 2015 #39

Are there currently Jewish holy sites in the hands of others? nt geek tragedy Sep 2015 #42

Tomb of the Patriarchs in Hebron oberliner Sep 2015 #47

The IDF controls access to the site, and regulate the activities of the mosque there, forbidding geek tragedy Sep 2015 #48

This is not true oberliner Sep 2015 #51

So what? 99.7% of the people living there are Muslims/Arabs, not Jews. geek tragedy Sep 2015 #52

You asked for someone to identify a Jewish holy site under these conditions oberliner Sep 2015 #54

that right of return thing is going to get interesting geek tragedy Sep 2015 #55

The settlement in Hebron would have to be removed as a part of any two-state solution, even the Little Tich Sep 2015 #71

Some of those jewish families in hebron Mosby Oct 2015 #96

If they want to live there, they can rent like anyone else and be good neighbours. Little Tich Oct 2015 #97

Israel routinely restricts muezzin calls to prayer from the mosque because they bother the settlers azurnoir Sep 2015 #73

The last time the Kotel was in Jordan's hands Jews were barred from visiting King_David Sep 2015 #62

Do you consider the Cave of the Patriarchs to be in the hands of others? geek tragedy Sep 2015 #56

I am not proposing a change to the current arrangement oberliner Sep 2015 #57

question was directed at King David who geek tragedy Sep 2015 #58

Apparently you think so, King_David Sep 2015 #61

You keep on ignoring the main issue. geek tragedy Sep 2015 #69

Chalk and Cheese King_David Sep 2015 #74

rather disingenuous to pretend this is about a few geek tragedy Sep 2015 #75

And that's the way they are playing it in Isrrael. Always playing honest. Always playing victim. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2015 #77

Speaking of Jordan oberliner Sep 2015 #30

Israel should continue to honor the agreement with Jordan that has kept the peace geek tragedy Sep 2015 #32

I completely agree. Here's what it says about Jerusalem: oberliner Sep 2015 #36

But #3 does not mean undermining #2. geek tragedy Sep 2015 #38

Ah, hope springs eternal with the ever-present view of the colonizer. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2015 #65

You really wasting your time talking to me King_David Sep 2015 #72

"I don't ever engage you... I don't reply to you and I will not either" R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2015 #76

Conflagration on the island of stability Israeli Sep 2015 #3

Thanks, useful context :) TubbersUK Sep 2015 #5

Adam Keller nonsense from top to bottom oberliner Sep 2015 #8

So spoke the captain ... Israeli Sep 2015 #78

Netanyahu did the right thing. Little Tich Sep 2015 #4

"Israeli police on Thursday barred all non-Muslims from entering ..." oberliner Sep 2015 #6

So you favor a war with Jordan? nt geek tragedy Sep 2015 #13

Of course not oberliner Sep 2015 #18

It would not end with "Jews standing around and praying." geek tragedy Sep 2015 #21

But that is enough of a "desecration" to threaten war oberliner Sep 2015 #33

it's a red line. the lesson that has been learned is that if you give the Israelis an inch, they'll geek tragedy Sep 2015 #34

I think this is actually a human rights issue, and that those issues shouldn't be resolved on Little Tich Sep 2015 #15

"the ongoing Judaization of Jerusalem..." oberliner Sep 2015 #19

If you find my dislike of racism offensive, then so be it. Little Tich Sep 2015 #35

How does one dislike racism while being against Jewish ties to Jerusalem? shira Oct 2015 #89

Any establishment and enhancement of those ethnic / religious ties should be made under the umbrella Little Tich Oct 2015 #92

All people (citizens especially) have rights to live anywhere within Israel... shira Oct 2015 #93

You know that you're factually wrong. Arabs of East Jerusalem can't live anywhere else in Israel, Little Tich Oct 2015 #98

I take it you don't believe Jews have any rights on the Temple Mount.... shira Oct 2015 #100

Some links to descriptions of Israel's discriminatory land policies: Little Tich Oct 2015 #109

You have no idea what you are talking about oberliner Oct 2015 #110

Do you have any links that would help dispel my ignorance on this issue? n/t Little Tich Oct 2015 #112

"Medina was once home to many Jews, incidentally - until they were "ethnically cleansed..." R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2015 #67

Jews aren't ethnically cleansing Muslims. shira Oct 2015 #88

When you decide to stop conflating Jew with Israeli R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #90

Not conflating at all. Name 3 non-Jewish Israelis you take issue with... shira Oct 2015 #91

I didn't order a word salad from you, nor do I expect one to be delivered or I should pay for one. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #99

If I'm conflating, then name 3 prominent non-Jewish Israelis you loathe... shira Oct 2015 #101

I'm not going to play your goal post moving game tonight, shira. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #103

You prove my point. You criticize only "Israelis" and yet... shira Oct 2015 #105

Try re-reading post 103 and read it this time. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #107

Yawn. n/t shira Oct 2015 #108

Yes, you have nothing to say, really. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #111

ok, how would you prevent DonCoquixote Sep 2015 #43

It's hypothethical, but possible that the tables could be turned in some way. Little Tich Sep 2015 #45

the thing is DonCoquixote Sep 2015 #46

I would agree with that. Little Tich Sep 2015 #70

Did you really type leftynyc Sep 2015 #49

I really can't help you if the mere thought of equal rights puts bile in your throat. Little Tich Sep 2015 #68

Uh - no leftynyc Sep 2015 #80

Indeed. I saw through this one since I first came here. grossproffit Sep 2015 #82

I try and give everyone leftynyc Sep 2015 #86

You too! Thank you. grossproffit Sep 2015 #87

Related to this? Abbas: We welcome every drop of blood spilled in Jerusalem 6chars Sep 2015 #44

And to the surprise leftynyc Sep 2015 #50

Lol, people are ignoring a press release from the ultra-rightwing Israeli geek tragedy Sep 2015 #53

Here is a video of the actual remarks made by Abbas oberliner Sep 2015 #59

he's honoring those killed by the Israelis as martyrs. He's not celebrating the geek tragedy Sep 2015 #60

Sorry MFM008 Sep 2015 #79

Not sure what you mean by "camp" oberliner Sep 2015 #81

He probably means this " camp " oberliner........... Israeli Sep 2015 #83

That makes sense oberliner Sep 2015 #84

You are very welcome ....nt . ....:) Israeli Sep 2015 #85