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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
4. LGBT culture in Israel is NOT dependent
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 10:51 AM
Jun 2012

or the Occupation OR the settlements, though. And it can't be used to justify either.

Anyone care to make a case for Jordan? Saudi Arabia? aquart Jun 2012 #1
more King_David Jun 2012 #2
LGBT culture in Israel is NOT dependent Ken Burch Jun 2012 #4
Do you agree with this RIDICULOUS statement by a 'professor' no less, King_David Jun 2012 #10
Do you believe that attitude towards gays is the sole judgement of a country? yes or no azurnoir Jun 2012 #11
The countries with the best human rights record also have the best record with respect to gay rights oberliner Jun 2012 #13
In some cases yes in others not so much however that was not the question n/t azurnoir Jun 2012 #17
Does the EU's stellar "human rights" record apply to the Roma too azurnoir Jun 2012 #25
The EU does not have a stellar human rights record oberliner Jun 2012 #37
Thank you for mentioning Scandinavias record on human rights azurnoir Jun 2012 #38
You are welcome oberliner Jun 2012 #42
well thank you you seem to be admiting that despite having some of the most progressive laws azurnoir Jun 2012 #45
There's a liberal case for Israel's existence Ken Burch Jun 2012 #3
so whats the liberal case.... pelsar Jun 2012 #6
same as the 'liberal case' for creating any other country azurnoir Jun 2012 #7
Post removed Post removed Jun 2012 #15
You married to Anne Coulter ? King_David Jun 2012 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author azurnoir Jun 2012 #18
Yep I alerted on the repulsive post, King_David Jun 2012 #19
Repulsive it was plainly tongue in cheek but getting the right jury here is all important isn't it? azurnoir Jun 2012 #20
' it was plainly tongue in cheek ' King_David Jun 2012 #21
The post was not in the slightest homophobic it did not mention Gays at all azurnoir Jun 2012 #22
How does a post talk about 'Gay marriage'' King_David Jun 2012 #26
But anyone who has read the post knows he said his wife did not support Gay marriage azurnoir Jun 2012 #27
Well then read it again. King_David Jun 2012 #28
I did you got a post removed over the poster wifes views? azurnoir Jun 2012 #29
BTW anyone can read the edit you made after my reply. King_David Jun 2012 #30
actually I made the edit after I reread the post but believe what ever pleases you azurnoir Jun 2012 #31
Link to my reply. King_David Jun 2012 #33
IOW you can not or do not wish to reply directly? n/t azurnoir Jun 2012 #34
I would like to answer this too. Dick Dastardly Jun 2012 #156
Could you please post the alert and jury decision ? I am most curious about this azurnoir Jun 2012 #32
OK I hope it is not against the rules: King_David Jun 2012 #35
No it is not against the rules I do have ethics however I disagree with jury azurnoir Jun 2012 #36
I can not improve on the reply Oberliner gave you, King_David Jun 2012 #23
Oh I'm sure you could I would really appreciate it in your own words azurnoir Jun 2012 #24
well i'm with you... pelsar Jun 2012 #41
In this particular case I find it kind of well scary it shows that either azurnoir Jun 2012 #46
that i've noticed for a long time.... pelsar Jun 2012 #49
whats the liberal case for supporting the creation of a dictatorship..... pelsar Jun 2012 #39
Doesn't Israel allow Rabbi;s authority over domestic laws marriage and such? azurnoir Jun 2012 #44
if your going to compare...keep it apples to apples.. pelsar Jun 2012 #47
so are we to take that the PA is enforcing women being veiled or cutting off thieves hands? azurnoir Jun 2012 #53
maybe.... pelsar Jun 2012 #54
Because your question seems to work on the assumption that the West Bank will be a theocracy azurnoir Jun 2012 #59
so you see no "indication" that its a real possibility? pelsar Jun 2012 #62
your comments on Arab/Muslim countries being alike reminds me of the not too distant past azurnoir Jun 2012 #67
you've had your accusation...now back to the subject pelsar Jun 2012 #72
an accusation that whether or not you realize it you confirmed azurnoir Jun 2012 #73
well that only took a few years.... (your viewpoint) pelsar Jun 2012 #75
You left out the first part of my comment-again azurnoir Jun 2012 #77
heres the response... pelsar Jun 2012 #95
So now you claim that Jordan is actively shooting right now at Israel cross border? azurnoir Jun 2012 #101
no.....it occurs rarely but it does occur-attacks from Jordan pelsar Jun 2012 #105
an answer at least in part azurnoir Jun 2012 #111
evacuating the west bank?...not going to happen... pelsar Jun 2012 #112
yes lets amuse readers more shall we azurnoir Jun 2012 #124
i see you've been ignoring my question about gaza ......but i'll amuse you and then ask again pelsar Jun 2012 #125
Lets summarize okay azurnoir Jun 2012 #157
thats your summary?...its self serving... pelsar Jun 2012 #163
talk about self serving summaries ? azurnoir Jun 2012 #164
gaza...went back and found no specifics...just the usual generalities....but pelsar Jun 2012 #166
well...... azurnoir Jun 2012 #170
there was no door no 3.......never was pelsar Jun 2012 #172
so your the dungeon master I take it? azurnoir Jun 2012 #175
i just don't close my eyes....and pretend events couldnt happen..... pelsar Jun 2012 #176
I;m a RW nationist because I point out Gaza could have benn better handled than it was by Bush azurnoir Jun 2012 #177
if your preference is for a theocratic govt vs a secular one....based on genes..... pelsar Jun 2012 #178
again a self serving ultimatum if I don't support this then I support that azurnoir Jun 2012 #179
its not a matter of supporting...its a matter of what is least worst choice.... pelsar Jun 2012 #180
so your saying that Bush and Olmert were naive idealists? azurnoir Jun 2012 #181
now you getting close.... pelsar Jun 2012 #182
well I'll hand it to you it isn't often we see someone proclaim themselves azurnoir Jun 2012 #183
its goes with being independent.... pelsar Jun 2012 #184
well maybe most Israelis don't want West Bank but do they want the Israelis living there as azurnoir Jun 2012 #185
as i mentioned......the Palestinians and friends might want to face reality.... pelsar Jun 2012 #186
I take it the answer is no azurnoir Jun 2012 #187
Hamas would not have gone away in Gaza or lost support there Ken Burch Jun 2012 #126
you assume to much.... pelsar Jun 2012 #162
I don't support creating a religious-based dictatorship Ken Burch Jun 2012 #8
do you really need another history lesson?...how many times do i have to teach you? pelsar Jun 2012 #40
You can't compare the situation in Palestine now with postwar Germany and Japan Ken Burch Jun 2012 #43
wow...why do you think so little of the Palestinians?. pelsar Jun 2012 #48
I think highly of the Palestinians Ken Burch Jun 2012 #50
you have to lay off the kool aid...... pelsar Jun 2012 #51
NOTHING I said equates to the belief Ken Burch Jun 2012 #52
no...you don't know.... pelsar Jun 2012 #55
I don't operate out of blind faith in anything...and I'm not addicted to anything. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #56
then stop contradicting yourself..... pelsar Jun 2012 #57
I admit I was wrong about the Brits. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #58
'In truth, none of them are. None at all.' King_David Jun 2012 #60
It's self-evident. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #61
So you have no data or proof or poll or anything? King_David Jun 2012 #65
Nobody in the Zionist community was thankful for the British military presence Ken Burch Jun 2012 #127
Ken, what do you make of the many Palestinians who prefer Israeli rule over Hamas/PA control? shira Jun 2012 #131
Most of those who want something other than Hamas do not want that something Ken Burch Jun 2012 #133
They prefer IDF rule over Hamas. And you could seemingly care less... shira Jun 2012 #135
I'm talking a federation...that's different than a unitary state. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #139
The occupation of Gaza/West Bank did not make Hamas oberliner Jun 2012 #142
The fact that the IDF hasn't militarily defeated Hamas yet Ken Burch Jun 2012 #147
I don't really disagree with anything here oberliner Jun 2012 #168
Four people isn't "many" Ken Burch Jun 2012 #141
More denial. It's not difficult at all to believe when considering.... shira Jun 2012 #146
OK...logical problem with your position then... Ken Burch Jun 2012 #148
Still pushing the rightwing one state solution, Ken? shira Jun 2012 #149
I don't agree that they prefer the Occupation. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #150
A significant number of Palestinians prefer occupation to Hamas or the PA... shira Jun 2012 #151
NONE? 100%? pelsar Jun 2012 #63
Stop acting like an interrogator. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #64
its you who is insulting ......to the Palestenians pelsar Jun 2012 #66
Facts for Ken: A Palestinian who would accept settlements & many Palestinians who prefer occupation shira Jun 2012 #68
facts for shira Ray Hanania is an American comedian who resides in Chicago azurnoir Jun 2012 #74
And Ali Abuminah is an American who also resides in Chicago oberliner Jun 2012 #76
true however last I looked no one was promoting Abuminah for President of the PA azurnoir Jun 2012 #78
True oberliner Jun 2012 #113
The point is Hanania is a popular, American liberal Palestinian voice... shira Jun 2012 #119
so that's your point huh? well thanks the thing is Hanania who is along with azurnoir Jun 2012 #123
LOL. Hanania and Toameh are centrist/rightist? But they're for 2 states... shira Jun 2012 #132
Khaled Abu Tomeh was born in the West Bank and lives in Jerusalem oberliner Jun 2012 #137
actually Ray wasn't so funny... pelsar Jun 2012 #97
Who are some of your favorite comedians? oberliner Jun 2012 #114
So attacking the messenger, not the substance, is all you've got. Here's more substance... shira Jun 2012 #79
The cognitive dissonance must be tough to deal with, huh? azurnoir Jun 2012 #80
How many more sources do you need? You think those sources are fake, right? n/t shira Jun 2012 #82
no I do not think they're fake at moreover that is not what I've said is it? seems your looking for azurnoir Jun 2012 #90
So if they're not fake, they're legit. They show many, many Palestinians prefer.... shira Jun 2012 #96
so what percantage of the the 4 million Palestinians living in the OPT and Gaza does azurnoir Jun 2012 #98
Read those quotes... shira Jun 2012 #118
Why are you so obsessed with preserving the settlements, shira? Ken Burch Jun 2012 #81
Seems you guys are for preserving settlements. If it were up to me, they wouldn't... shira Jun 2012 #83
I'm not on a "team". Ken Burch Jun 2012 #84
Ken, it's silly for you to argue against settlements & occupation.... shira Jun 2012 #85
OK. I can accept that they can have a nominal claim to a few bits of land in the West Bank. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #86
So it's not theft... shira Jun 2012 #87
"Jordan is Palestine" is discredited. Only the racist far right in Israel still argues for that. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #89
Do you agree it has a majority Palestinian population and was meant to be... shira Jun 2012 #93
My apologies if I got the political party thing wrong Ken Burch Jun 2012 #103
Kadima has moved Israeli right-wingers significantly towards the Left.... shira Jun 2012 #120
It can't be fair to say that Israel has claims to the West Bank Ken Burch Jun 2012 #91
If the Arab Spring comes to Jordan and the Palestinian majority starts ruling... shira Jun 2012 #94
Israel doesn't need settlements to have the high ground Ken Burch Jun 2012 #99
Based on what? holdencaufield Jun 2012 #100
Egypt MADE peace with Israel in 1978. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #102
Apparently, it does... holdencaufield Jun 2012 #104
I don't think I said making peace with the Palestinians would end ALL threats Ken Burch Jun 2012 #106
You said... holdencaufield Jun 2012 #107
And what I said there was still not the same thing Ken Burch Jun 2012 #108
Show me where I said... holdencaufield Jun 2012 #109
That's the basis for your whole argument Ken Burch Jun 2012 #116
The next time you're going to tell me what I think... holdencaufield Jun 2012 #122
when will you quit talking down to the arabs?...when pelsar Jun 2012 #110
I'm not talking down to them Ken Burch Jun 2012 #115
Colonialism didn't die....its just went left pelsar Jun 2012 #128
I don't have to demand that Palestinians change their leadership BEFORE getting self-determination Ken Burch Jun 2012 #130
Ken, if you don't support a theocratic religious dictatorship in Gaza, then why... shira Jun 2012 #134
Your link found FOUR Palestinians who want the IDF back in Gaza Ken Burch Jun 2012 #136
Denial. Now you don't believe the Palestinians when they tell you most prefer the IDF... shira Jun 2012 #138
You've got some of your facts wrong here oberliner Jun 2012 #140
in 1967(as I believe shira pointed out)what would become Hamas existed Ken Burch Jun 2012 #143
Everything you have written here is not correct oberliner Jun 2012 #144
People started listening to Hamas Ken Burch Jun 2012 #145
Hamas won political power due to Israel's withdrawal, not b/c of settlements... shira Jun 2012 #165
I appreciate you sharing your insights oberliner Jun 2012 #169
this is simple...just try to answer it with a short answer... pelsar Jun 2012 #167
Here's two simple responses Ken Burch Jun 2012 #171
oh...so you prefer to live in fantasy land...while ignoring the consequences... pelsar Jun 2012 #173
It's not living in fantasy land Ken Burch Jun 2012 #174
So you're arguing that nobody should even try to end this conflict Ken Burch Jun 2012 #117
on the contrary... pelsar Jun 2012 #129
So Israel requires some of the mountain range for security if you say some IDF personnel.... shira Jun 2012 #121
Since you're against the occupation, Ken, are you in favor of unilateral withdrawal... shira Jun 2012 #9
It isn't a simple "either/or". Ken Burch Jun 2012 #12
Then look into it. I would think anti-occupation "progressives" like yrself... shira Jun 2012 #14
lol still trying huh quite the challange there take what ever Israel is willing give sight unseen or azurnoir Jun 2012 #69
You keep making things up, like unilateral withdrawal is an Israeli ultimatum... shira Jun 2012 #70
I did not say or mean Israel was posing an ultimatum azurnoir Jun 2012 #71
Thanks for the advertisment for Jonathan Miller's new book azurnoir Jun 2012 #5
The Liberal case for anything Israeli really drives anti-Israel nuts up the wall.... shira Jun 2012 #88
No my point was that the OP is not a news story of any kind, it is in fact an advertisment azurnoir Jun 2012 #92
Seems to be a very successful thread,nevertheless nt King_David Jun 2012 #152
yes it does it is, indeed a testament in and of it self azurnoir Jun 2012 #153
yep King_David Jun 2012 #154
But in your own words exactly what is it a testament to why do you think the Hosts of this group azurnoir Jun 2012 #155
If you click on the link King_David Jun 2012 #158
Thanks however I asked for your own words not a rehash of something you already posted here n/t azurnoir Jun 2012 #159
Ha King_David Jun 2012 #160
well then by that standard I have 30 years to go azurnoir Jun 2012 #161
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