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shira

(30,109 posts)
101. So did Bush and Clinton, so?
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 04:58 PM
Jun 2012

Maybe Obama thinks the Palestinians can be negotiated out of demanding RoR, who knows?

More: Scurrilous May 2012 #1
It's about time. aranthus May 2012 #2
I believe it has also applied to Tibetians and more recently Hmong azurnoir May 2012 #3
Do you have a cite for this? aranthus May 2012 #14
no it would show that it's about people that are refugees for generations azurnoir May 2012 #15
I looked and can't find anything about the Hmong Mosby May 2012 #16
"perma-status" as refugees? no it's about the length of time and in the case of Palestinians azurnoir May 2012 #17
Except that by the standard applied to everyone else aranthus May 2012 #19
I pointed out that less than half of all Palestinians are classified as refugees azurnoir May 2012 #20
I'm talking about the difference between your claim of 4.5 million refugees aranthus May 2012 #24
IMO the 'true' number of refugees are those born without a state azurnoir May 2012 #25
Why should the Palestinians be treated differently than other groups? aranthus Jun 2012 #33
perhaps you also remember that Israel continues to violate UN Res 194 of 1948 azurnoir Jun 2012 #35
No it doesn't. aranthus Jun 2012 #38
it also doesn't mention descendants of refugees. n/t shira Jun 2012 #39
True. aranthus Jun 2012 #42
haven't you used 194 in the past to justify the Israeli Jews only RoR? azurnoir Jun 2012 #47
Nope. All I remember saying about it is that it applies to refugees in general... shira Jun 2012 #49
well that's justification right there and even if from the ME they were most likely azurnoir Jun 2012 #50
No it's not justification for the Law of Return aranthus Jun 2012 #53
well it is hard to continue as you were not the person I was addressing in the first place azurnoir Jun 2012 #57
194 doesn't necessarily apply to Arab refugees. There were Jewish refugees from Judea/Samaria.... shira Jun 2012 #61
people often claim that the Jewish settlements in the WB are the major barrier to a 2 state solution Mosby May 2012 #21
natural growth? 175% settler population increase in 16 years is 'natural'? azurnoir May 2012 #23
All refugees would be forced to go into Israel by Arab regimes.... shira Jun 2012 #62
so you are claiming that even with the existence of a Palestinian state the Arab "regimes" azurnoir Jun 2012 #67
Yes, even with a Palestinian state the refugees would be expected to go to Israel.... shira Jun 2012 #70
well I am grateful for your 2 links to one of your old threads azurnoir Jun 2012 #74
Do you believe now that Abbas desires a 2 state solution.... shira Jun 2012 #81
so it's Palestinian oil that is driving Obama I see to support Abbas I see azurnoir Jun 2012 #84
Not Palestinian oil. Remember there's still an Arab/Israel conflict going on... shira Jun 2012 #92
The Arab Peace initiative also called for normalization of relations between all signatory Arab azurnoir Jun 2012 #96
It calls for Israel withdrawing behind 1967 lines completely before Arab regimes... shira Jun 2012 #102
the very next day amr moussa went on arabic tv Mosby Jun 2012 #108
But it is about the war against the Jewish state. aranthus May 2012 #18
apparently the US State department disagrees with you see comment #13 azurnoir May 2012 #27
And the State Department's opinion is only as good as its reasoning. aranthus May 2012 #28
you seem to use Jews in place of Israel quite freely azurnoir May 2012 #29
How does it clarify things for you? aranthus Jun 2012 #31
I t shows your mindset here and your spin on this quite ridiculous azurnoir Jun 2012 #36
Deir Yassin happend first? Before what? aranthus Jun 2012 #37
your right on 12/14/47 an army convoy was attacked 0 were killed in retaliation 5 Palestian children azurnoir Jun 2012 #48
Seriously? You've totally misused and misread the source. aranthus Jun 2012 #51
upset that I pointed out the facts are you? azurnoir Jun 2012 #58
I'm upset at your intellectual dishonesty, which I've already explained. n/t aranthus Jun 2012 #87
Dishonest that on December 18 1947 Jewish forces killed 5 Palestinian Arab children azurnoir Jun 2012 #88
Dude... Shaktimaan Jun 2012 #111
excuse me... Shaktimaan Jun 2012 #110
Israel lobby’s favorite senator tries to erase Palestinian refugee status for millions Scurrilous May 2012 #4
This is by Alex Kane writing for Mondoweiss oberliner May 2012 #6
Why should Palestinian refugees be treated differently from all other groups before or since? aranthus Jun 2012 #32
If the UN doesn't think it's evil that descendants of refugees remain perpetual victims... shira Jun 2012 #63
I ddin't think of that. aranthus Jun 2012 #86
Well this is what I think of when I'm constantly told Israel is bad... shira Jun 2012 #94
Good. nt hack89 May 2012 #5
Daniel Pipes says he and Steve Rosen drove Senate re ‘so-called’ Palestinian refugees Scurrilous May 2012 #7
No he doesn't - this is another Mondoweiss lie from Mr. Mondoweiss himself oberliner May 2012 #10
But that doesn't fit.... holdencaufield May 2012 #11
Actually -- the Americans might have hit upon a solution holdencaufield May 2012 #8
Just think of the PR victory it would be for Israel azurnoir May 2012 #9
Did you actually read it? oberliner May 2012 #12
Did you actually read the comment I replied to-apparently not as your comment azurnoir May 2012 #22
Read it again, carefully oberliner May 2012 #30
so do you believe in scaling back the number of Palestinian refugees azurnoir Jun 2012 #34
I do. Their descendants are not going to Israel, so why waste anymore time pretending... shira Jun 2012 #40
thanks for your input here n/t azurnoir Jun 2012 #44
What good does it do leaving refugees and their kids in camps to rot... shira Jun 2012 #64
I support the two state solution oberliner Jun 2012 #43
yes similar to the 'compromise' reached for those who's azurnoir Jun 2012 #45
Bizarre post oberliner Jun 2012 #55
explain exactly what is so bizarre about my post? azurnoir Jun 2012 #59
A lot of "greats" oberliner Jun 2012 #73
U.S. State Department Affirms Support for 5 Million ‘Palestinian Refugees’ Scurrilous May 2012 #13
Thanks for posting that it seems the attrition method of solving the Palestinian refugee azurnoir May 2012 #26
So you're in favor of descendants rotting away in camps, who will never... shira Jun 2012 #41
No I am in favor of a Palestinian state and RoR azurnoir Jun 2012 #46
One can not be in favor of a the RoR and honestly claim to want peace. aranthus Jun 2012 #52
You can... holdencaufield Jun 2012 #54
wouldn't advocating for the destruction of Israel be antisemtic? yes or no? n/t azurnoir Jun 2012 #60
Since you're in favor of RoR, you're against Israel's continued existence. shira Jun 2012 #65
I adovcate for RoR along with a Palestinian state but sadly it seems you along with a couple of azurnoir Jun 2012 #69
You're only assuming some refugees would want to go to Israel.... shira Jun 2012 #72
an d you seem to assume they all would go to Israel, why? n/t azurnoir Jun 2012 #76
They have no choice. It's why they're still refugees 64 years later. shira Jun 2012 #78
so even with a Palestinianstate they would be forced to go to Israel? and Obama would support this? azurnoir Jun 2012 #80
Can you first admit the plan back in 1948 was for refugees to be used as political pawns... shira Jun 2012 #82
if it was then you are claiming that that the UN and the 'Arabs" have some crystal ball that foresaw azurnoir Jun 2012 #83
Then, but not now? shira Jun 2012 #91
You seem not to believe as Obama does that this can be solved with diplomacy (negotiations) ? azurnoir Jun 2012 #97
No, it can't be resolved diplomatically. That's been proven, since before the 1947... shira Jun 2012 #103
Barak gave no indication of exactly what he was talking about azurnoir Jun 2012 #105
Yeah, right. He was most likely referring to this... shira Jun 2012 #107
IMO that would be a rather extremist PoV and I'm being polite azurnoir Jun 2012 #56
Define the version of RoR you support. All, most, some, or just a few refugees...? n/t shira Jun 2012 #66
The same RoR Israel has granted it's now majority population along with a Palestinian state azurnoir Jun 2012 #68
So that means full RoR, correct? Similar to Israel's law of return where anyone Jewish... shira Jun 2012 #71
As long as there is also a Palestinian state of course Israel would retain the right azurnoir Jun 2012 #75
But they're not welcome in a Palestinian state. You know that. shira Jun 2012 #79
so Palestinian will not be welcome in a Palestinian state I see how interesting indeed and once agai azurnoir Jun 2012 #85
You read it for yourself. Why deny it? shira Jun 2012 #93
But the POTUS does support Abbas and a Palestinian state that you claim Palestinians will not be azurnoir Jun 2012 #95
So did Bush and Clinton, so? shira Jun 2012 #101
No. It's the only honest view. aranthus Jun 2012 #90
Does Israel reserve the right to refuse Jews RoR because of criminal history or security risk? n/t azurnoir Jun 2012 #98
How is that even relevant? aranthus Jun 2012 #99
please answer the question yes or no then I will explain the "relevancy" azurnoir Jun 2012 #100
I suspect that Israel could exclude criminals and violent security threats. aranthus Jun 2012 #104
You seem to believe that Israel would be required to accept Palestinians RoR in a way that azurnoir Jun 2012 #106
Of course it would. aranthus Jun 2012 #109
No way home: The tragedy of the Palestinian diaspora Mosby Jun 2012 #77
I find it odd that this thread seems so important to some here that despite the fact that azurnoir Jun 2012 #89
Sen. Kirk sides with Israel, tweets 'disappointed' in BBC Olympics coverage Scurrilous Jul 2012 #112
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