Israel/Palestine

aranthus

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33. Why should the Palestinians be treated differently than other groups?

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 01:33 PM

Jun 2012

The real reasons are:

1. So that they can be a weapon to use against the existence of the Jewish State of Israel.
2. So that the Arab states can avoid their responsibilities as co-aggressors in the war against Israel.
3. So that the Palestinians can avoid their responsibility for starting the war that made them refugees iin the first place.

None of these justify disparate treatment. So why should the US support disparate treatment that merely perpetuates and exacerbates the problem?

By the way, all Palestinians today have been born with a state. Most have merely been denied their right to citizenship within the state of their birth. How is that Israel's fault?

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US Senate dramatically scales down definition of Palestinian ‘refugees’ [View all] Mosby May 2012 OP

More: Scurrilous May 2012 #1

It's about time. aranthus May 2012 #2

I believe it has also applied to Tibetians and more recently Hmong azurnoir May 2012 #3

Do you have a cite for this? aranthus May 2012 #14

no it would show that it's about people that are refugees for generations azurnoir May 2012 #15

I looked and can't find anything about the Hmong Mosby May 2012 #16

"perma-status" as refugees? no it's about the length of time and in the case of Palestinians azurnoir May 2012 #17

Except that by the standard applied to everyone else aranthus May 2012 #19

I pointed out that less than half of all Palestinians are classified as refugees azurnoir May 2012 #20

I'm talking about the difference between your claim of 4.5 million refugees aranthus May 2012 #24

IMO the 'true' number of refugees are those born without a state azurnoir May 2012 #25

Why should the Palestinians be treated differently than other groups? aranthus Jun 2012 #33

perhaps you also remember that Israel continues to violate UN Res 194 of 1948 azurnoir Jun 2012 #35

No it doesn't. aranthus Jun 2012 #38

it also doesn't mention descendants of refugees. n/t shira Jun 2012 #39

True. aranthus Jun 2012 #42

haven't you used 194 in the past to justify the Israeli Jews only RoR? azurnoir Jun 2012 #47

Nope. All I remember saying about it is that it applies to refugees in general... shira Jun 2012 #49

well that's justification right there and even if from the ME they were most likely azurnoir Jun 2012 #50

No it's not justification for the Law of Return aranthus Jun 2012 #53

well it is hard to continue as you were not the person I was addressing in the first place azurnoir Jun 2012 #57

194 doesn't necessarily apply to Arab refugees. There were Jewish refugees from Judea/Samaria.... shira Jun 2012 #61

people often claim that the Jewish settlements in the WB are the major barrier to a 2 state solution Mosby May 2012 #21

natural growth? 175% settler population increase in 16 years is 'natural'? azurnoir May 2012 #23

All refugees would be forced to go into Israel by Arab regimes.... shira Jun 2012 #62

so you are claiming that even with the existence of a Palestinian state the Arab "regimes" azurnoir Jun 2012 #67

Yes, even with a Palestinian state the refugees would be expected to go to Israel.... shira Jun 2012 #70

well I am grateful for your 2 links to one of your old threads azurnoir Jun 2012 #74

Do you believe now that Abbas desires a 2 state solution.... shira Jun 2012 #81

so it's Palestinian oil that is driving Obama I see to support Abbas I see azurnoir Jun 2012 #84

Not Palestinian oil. Remember there's still an Arab/Israel conflict going on... shira Jun 2012 #92

The Arab Peace initiative also called for normalization of relations between all signatory Arab azurnoir Jun 2012 #96

It calls for Israel withdrawing behind 1967 lines completely before Arab regimes... shira Jun 2012 #102

the very next day amr moussa went on arabic tv Mosby Jun 2012 #108

But it is about the war against the Jewish state. aranthus May 2012 #18

apparently the US State department disagrees with you see comment #13 azurnoir May 2012 #27

And the State Department's opinion is only as good as its reasoning. aranthus May 2012 #28

you seem to use Jews in place of Israel quite freely azurnoir May 2012 #29

How does it clarify things for you? aranthus Jun 2012 #31

I t shows your mindset here and your spin on this quite ridiculous azurnoir Jun 2012 #36

Deir Yassin happend first? Before what? aranthus Jun 2012 #37

your right on 12/14/47 an army convoy was attacked 0 were killed in retaliation 5 Palestian children azurnoir Jun 2012 #48

Seriously? You've totally misused and misread the source. aranthus Jun 2012 #51

upset that I pointed out the facts are you? azurnoir Jun 2012 #58

I'm upset at your intellectual dishonesty, which I've already explained. n/t aranthus Jun 2012 #87

Dishonest that on December 18 1947 Jewish forces killed 5 Palestinian Arab children azurnoir Jun 2012 #88

Dude... Shaktimaan Jun 2012 #111

excuse me... Shaktimaan Jun 2012 #110

Israel lobby’s favorite senator tries to erase Palestinian refugee status for millions Scurrilous May 2012 #4

This is by Alex Kane writing for Mondoweiss oberliner May 2012 #6

Why should Palestinian refugees be treated differently from all other groups before or since? aranthus Jun 2012 #32

If the UN doesn't think it's evil that descendants of refugees remain perpetual victims... shira Jun 2012 #63

I ddin't think of that. aranthus Jun 2012 #86

Well this is what I think of when I'm constantly told Israel is bad... shira Jun 2012 #94

Good. nt hack89 May 2012 #5

Daniel Pipes says he and Steve Rosen drove Senate re ‘so-called’ Palestinian refugees Scurrilous May 2012 #7

No he doesn't - this is another Mondoweiss lie from Mr. Mondoweiss himself oberliner May 2012 #10

But that doesn't fit.... holdencaufield May 2012 #11

Actually -- the Americans might have hit upon a solution holdencaufield May 2012 #8

Just think of the PR victory it would be for Israel azurnoir May 2012 #9

Did you actually read it? oberliner May 2012 #12

Did you actually read the comment I replied to-apparently not as your comment azurnoir May 2012 #22

Read it again, carefully oberliner May 2012 #30

so do you believe in scaling back the number of Palestinian refugees azurnoir Jun 2012 #34

I do. Their descendants are not going to Israel, so why waste anymore time pretending... shira Jun 2012 #40

thanks for your input here n/t azurnoir Jun 2012 #44

What good does it do leaving refugees and their kids in camps to rot... shira Jun 2012 #64

I support the two state solution oberliner Jun 2012 #43

yes similar to the 'compromise' reached for those who's azurnoir Jun 2012 #45

Bizarre post oberliner Jun 2012 #55

explain exactly what is so bizarre about my post? azurnoir Jun 2012 #59

A lot of "greats" oberliner Jun 2012 #73

U.S. State Department Affirms Support for 5 Million ‘Palestinian Refugees’ Scurrilous May 2012 #13

Thanks for posting that it seems the attrition method of solving the Palestinian refugee azurnoir May 2012 #26

So you're in favor of descendants rotting away in camps, who will never... shira Jun 2012 #41

No I am in favor of a Palestinian state and RoR azurnoir Jun 2012 #46

One can not be in favor of a the RoR and honestly claim to want peace. aranthus Jun 2012 #52

You can... holdencaufield Jun 2012 #54

wouldn't advocating for the destruction of Israel be antisemtic? yes or no? n/t azurnoir Jun 2012 #60

Since you're in favor of RoR, you're against Israel's continued existence. shira Jun 2012 #65

I adovcate for RoR along with a Palestinian state but sadly it seems you along with a couple of azurnoir Jun 2012 #69

You're only assuming some refugees would want to go to Israel.... shira Jun 2012 #72

an d you seem to assume they all would go to Israel, why? n/t azurnoir Jun 2012 #76

They have no choice. It's why they're still refugees 64 years later. shira Jun 2012 #78

so even with a Palestinianstate they would be forced to go to Israel? and Obama would support this? azurnoir Jun 2012 #80

Can you first admit the plan back in 1948 was for refugees to be used as political pawns... shira Jun 2012 #82

if it was then you are claiming that that the UN and the 'Arabs" have some crystal ball that foresaw azurnoir Jun 2012 #83

Then, but not now? shira Jun 2012 #91

You seem not to believe as Obama does that this can be solved with diplomacy (negotiations) ? azurnoir Jun 2012 #97

No, it can't be resolved diplomatically. That's been proven, since before the 1947... shira Jun 2012 #103

Barak gave no indication of exactly what he was talking about azurnoir Jun 2012 #105

Yeah, right. He was most likely referring to this... shira Jun 2012 #107

IMO that would be a rather extremist PoV and I'm being polite azurnoir Jun 2012 #56

Define the version of RoR you support. All, most, some, or just a few refugees...? n/t shira Jun 2012 #66

The same RoR Israel has granted it's now majority population along with a Palestinian state azurnoir Jun 2012 #68

So that means full RoR, correct? Similar to Israel's law of return where anyone Jewish... shira Jun 2012 #71

As long as there is also a Palestinian state of course Israel would retain the right azurnoir Jun 2012 #75

But they're not welcome in a Palestinian state. You know that. shira Jun 2012 #79

so Palestinian will not be welcome in a Palestinian state I see how interesting indeed and once agai azurnoir Jun 2012 #85

You read it for yourself. Why deny it? shira Jun 2012 #93

But the POTUS does support Abbas and a Palestinian state that you claim Palestinians will not be azurnoir Jun 2012 #95

So did Bush and Clinton, so? shira Jun 2012 #101

No. It's the only honest view. aranthus Jun 2012 #90

Does Israel reserve the right to refuse Jews RoR because of criminal history or security risk? n/t azurnoir Jun 2012 #98

How is that even relevant? aranthus Jun 2012 #99

please answer the question yes or no then I will explain the "relevancy" azurnoir Jun 2012 #100

I suspect that Israel could exclude criminals and violent security threats. aranthus Jun 2012 #104

You seem to believe that Israel would be required to accept Palestinians RoR in a way that azurnoir Jun 2012 #106

Of course it would. aranthus Jun 2012 #109

No way home: The tragedy of the Palestinian diaspora Mosby Jun 2012 #77

I find it odd that this thread seems so important to some here that despite the fact that azurnoir Jun 2012 #89

Sen. Kirk sides with Israel, tweets 'disappointed' in BBC Olympics coverage Scurrilous Jul 2012 #112