Israel/Palestine

Ken Burch

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60. You see what you see

Wed May 30, 2012, 01:04 AM

May 2012

That poster's views have nothing to do with her cultural, ethnic and/or religious identity. Many who share those identities with her reject all her views. Therefore, no bigotry.

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Yes, all criticism of Israel is antisemitic!(Op-Ed in Jerusalem Post) [View all] Ken Burch May 2012 OP

One false claim made in the editorial: Ken Burch May 2012 #1

The second false claim made in the editorial Ken Burch May 2012 #2

Third false claim: Ken Burch May 2012 #3

The final paragraph at least makes a reasonable point, but misses the fact that almost all critics Ken Burch May 2012 #9

Actually Ken, there are many (even some here at DU) who argue the Jews are not a people... shira May 2012 #23

Questioning where there is such a thing as a single "Jewish people" is NOT the same thing Ken Burch May 2012 #29

So you're wrong WRT that claim, b/c there are people who deny that Jews are a people... shira May 2012 #33

Look, Israel exists and nobody still thinks they can really get rid of it. Ken Burch May 2012 #35

Its not unfair at all. Its common for a country to apply different terms to in its various Dick Dastardly May 2012 #41

There's no justification for making Palestinian leaders agree to things Ken Burch May 2012 #44

Yes there is justification, if genuine peace is the goal... shira May 2012 #76

It's enough for them to accept two states. Ken Burch May 2012 #82

No, it's not. Not when the PA/Hamas teach the Palestinian public... shira May 2012 #83

You do realize, though Ken Burch May 2012 #85

You keep bringing up Hamas. I'm still talking about the PA... shira May 2012 #87

The PA recognized Israel in 1994. That put the recognition issue to rest for Fatah's part. Ken Burch May 2012 #89

If Zionists want to cease being thought of as colonialist Ken Burch May 2012 #90

Denial to the Nile. aquart May 2012 #5

Uh, no. Ken Burch May 2012 #10

If claim #2 is not what anti-zionists believe, then what do they believe? n/t shira May 2012 #22

Simply that both communities should live as equals in the same state Ken Burch May 2012 #25

Well, at least you got that off your chest... shira May 2012 #31

I am against Hamas and have said so repeatedly. Ken Burch May 2012 #34

Scary. The best you can do against all that genocidal incitement from Hamas... shira May 2012 #38

What do you want? Ken Burch May 2012 #39

Do you really not get... holdencaufield May 2012 #40

If there'd been no West Bank and Gaza occupations, there'd have been no Hamas Ken Burch May 2012 #43

Respectfully - you're wrong holdencaufield May 2012 #65

I expect way more from anti-racist progressives who say they take all forms of... shira May 2012 #72

Because Belgium is doing so well? RZM May 2012 #46

There's no Belgian equivalent to either Hamas or the Irgun Ken Burch May 2012 #47

All I'm saying is that it isn't working RZM May 2012 #49

The status quo isn't working either, in case you haven't noticed Ken Burch May 2012 #50

Not really, As I said before RZM May 2012 #51

It's bigoted to assume that the Palestinians would just keep fighting no matter what. Ken Burch May 2012 #52

I'm all about granting them these lands. So it's tough argue I don't think they are Palestinian RZM May 2012 #56

That first paragraph in your post Ken Burch May 2012 #59

Bullshit. Given and taking lands is pure power politics RZM May 2012 #62

Let's take a look, shall we? holdencaufield May 2012 #70

You may have gotten that slimy personal attack past the jury Fozzledick May 2012 #53

It's fair comment about that posters' views. Ken Burch May 2012 #55

All I see coming from you is a bigoted personal attack. Fozzledick May 2012 #57

You see what you see Ken Burch May 2012 #60

So why do you falsely accuse her of bigotry? Fozzledick May 2012 #61

Her posts are predicated Ken Burch May 2012 #66

Your false assumptions about how she thinks. Fozzledick May 2012 #68

I agree with what Fozzledick said nt King_David Jun 2012 #101

"She's against peace..defending the Occupation and the settlements proves that" holdencaufield May 2012 #71

It's a slimy personal attack, Ken... shira May 2012 #77

The fact that they support the initiative does NOT mean Ken Burch May 2012 #81

But you said any offer that leaves the bulk of the settlements within Israel.... shira May 2012 #86

I support Geneva but not the settlement position it takes. Ken Burch May 2012 #88

Well now it doesn't matter what you support. The PA won't agree to negotiating anything reasonable shira Jun 2012 #94

How do you know this? BudT May 2012 #20

What's false about it? Jew murdering is deemed legal resistance to occupation by the ISM... shira May 2012 #21

No it isn't. Ken Burch May 2012 #24

The ISM and its cheerleaders say armed resistance is legitimate. Look it up. n/t shira May 2012 #32

The use of force on BOTH sides is equally wrong Ken Burch May 2012 #37

of course there is no moral difference...i personally find looking to kill muslim children gods work pelsar May 2012 #42

You should just stop serving in the West Bank. It's right-wing to be there at all. Ken Burch May 2012 #45

changing the subject of my remarks......i am only interested in your blanket accusations.... pelsar May 2012 #58

Can you honestly say that innocent Palestinians NEVER get killed? Ken Burch May 2012 #48

dont change the subject..... pelsar May 2012 #54

Don't YOU change the subject Ken Burch May 2012 #63

you have clearly state that the morality of hamas and that of the IDF is the same.....indirectly pelsar May 2012 #64

Not what I was saying. Ken Burch May 2012 #67

your words.....you wrote them pelsar May 2012 #69

Too damned bad! FiveGoodMen May 2012 #4

Hey, I way prefer criticism to exploded buses. aquart May 2012 #7

I'm glad you accept that some criticism can be legitimate Ken Burch May 2012 #17

any more deserved? Shaktimaan Jun 2012 #96

Again, I don't actually AGREE with the editorial in the OP Ken Burch May 2012 #13

My tone was directed at the JPost, not at you. FiveGoodMen May 2012 #18

Ok...just wanted to make sure people understood Ken Burch May 2012 #19

Wow, so there's one thing in the world above criticism... Israel. I got a bridge sinkingfeeling May 2012 #6

Compassion is rubber bullets. aquart May 2012 #8

Compassion is rubber bullets? Ken Burch May 2012 #12

Untrue. Shaktimaan Jun 2012 #97

Because the settlements are inherently unjust. Because no Palestinian leadership can accept them Ken Burch Jun 2012 #99

are they? Shaktimaan Jun 2012 #108

You really think that... Shaktimaan Jun 2012 #98

It's clearly been made much worse by Israeli actions. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #100

Is it... Shaktimaan Jun 2012 #102

The notion that Palestinian actions are driven mainly by antisemitism Ken Burch Jun 2012 #103

Well... Shaktimaan Jun 2012 #105

We don't know the whole history there Ken Burch Jun 2012 #106

There's no compassion in punishing an entire family for what one person in that family did Ken Burch May 2012 #15

I don't agree with the editorial in that OP Ken Burch May 2012 #11

This is not an editorial by the Jerusalem Post, it is an opinion piece by Benjamin Kerstein. . . Journeyman May 2012 #14

They still published it. Ken Burch May 2012 #16

It's not really hairsplitting LeftishBrit May 2012 #27

It hardly makes it alright, though, if the Post published this because they thought Ken Burch May 2012 #30

The OP challenges acceptance of open discussion and debate? Au contraire.... shira May 2012 #79

The author of that editorial demonizes ANY criticism of anything the Israeli government does Ken Burch Jun 2012 #91

Well then if that's the case, you do the same thing anytime... shira Jun 2012 #93

Enough has been said about the videos Ken Burch Jun 2012 #104

It absolutely is not hair splitting. Look, I strongly cali May 2012 #73

You posted it here oberliner May 2012 #74

it should be posted and I for one am glad Ken did azurnoir May 2012 #75

Shocking oberliner May 2012 #78

Not shocking. I'm no longer surprised anymore with anything the anti-I contingent believes.... shira May 2012 #80

I wasn't saying that anybody here at DU agreed with the OP Ken Burch May 2012 #84

Wasn't saying anybody here did. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #92

I did not claim that you did oberliner Jun 2012 #95

Oh. Sorry. Didn't realize who you were responding to. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #107

Well, I disagree obviously... LeftishBrit May 2012 #26

As I explained in the note at the bottom of the OP, I disagree with the argument that the link makes Ken Burch May 2012 #28

This is what you want to move into GD? Ruby the Liberal May 2012 #36