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azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
36. Can you post that quote with a link to Jeff Goldberg interview where you claim he said that
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 05:57 PM
Jun 2015

among other things you've claimed about that interview

shira (25,308 posts)
34. Obama was obviously targeting BDS'ers with this comment....

Obama: You know, I think a good baseline is: Do you think that Israel has a right to exist as a homeland for the Jewish people, and are you aware of the particular circumstances of Jewish history that might prompt that need and desire? And if your answer is no, if your notion is somehow that that history doesn’t matter, then that’s a problem, in my mind. If, on the other hand, you acknowledge the justness of the Jewish homeland, you acknowledge the active presence of anti-Semitism—that it’s not just something in the past, but it is current—if you acknowledge that there are people and nations that, if convenient, would do the Jewish people harm because of a warped ideology. If you acknowledge those things, then you should be able to align yourself with Israel where its security is at stake, you should be able to align yourself with Israel when it comes to making sure that it is not held to a double standard in international fora, you should align yourself with Israel when it comes to making sure that it is not isolated.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=104599

You’re the reason BDS is winning! [View all] Jefferson23 Jun 2015 OP
I don't see anyone around here defending settlements Mosby Jun 2015 #1
There exists an indifference to the Palestinians cause and I am being generous and kind by using Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #3
Israelis don't believe the W.Bank must be Jew-free in order for there to be peace shira Jun 2015 #6
I have read your posts here for years, that you imagine he is the one with the problem is Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #7
Think about the opposite. There can only be peace if Israel rids itself entirely.... shira Jun 2015 #8
That is not what he said, that is your nonsense. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #10
Land swaps is far preferable than Jew free King_David Jun 2015 #12
A bantustan is not a viable state..that is a fact. The OP's message is lost to you just like it is Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #14
It wouldn't be a bantustan. You're against any land swaps whatsoever.... shira Jun 2015 #17
Pass your nonsense to someone who does not read. This OP knows what he is talking about Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #18
So BDS supports the Zionist enterprise (a Jewish state) alongside.... shira Jun 2015 #22
You should read some of his other blog posts for the Times of Israel oberliner Jun 2015 #42
There will be land swaps King_David Jun 2015 #66
The insult is coming from anyone who suggests a bantustan is a viable state....I'm not Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #69
It's not a suggestion King_David Jun 2015 #70
It is not unfair, it will be criminal. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #72
Call it whatever you want King_David Jun 2015 #73
Won't change the injustice, and it won't fool the Palestinians for long, either. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #74
Not with the legions of western "armchair " Palestinian supporters advising/ leading the Palestinian King_David Jun 2015 #79
Yea, it is from that playbook of yours, when in doubt..try and smear, also bring up, Hamas. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #81
No, that's what BDS wants. A Jew free W.Bank. shira Jun 2015 #15
The West Bank does not belong to Israel, period and leaving them a bantustan will leave no Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #16
No, BDS does not believe Jews belong in Jerusalem or any other part... shira Jun 2015 #19
You crack me up..I am going to send the author of this OP a thank you and a link Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #20
You have no answers because u realize how racist the BDS position is. n/t shira Jun 2015 #21
Read the OP again, if you like. Israel is in violation of international law and they get away Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #23
You have no answer to racist BDS being for a Jew free Palestine. shira Jun 2015 #31
Your blindness is showing as well as your inept analogy. Under international law Israel has never Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #37
Israel? I'm talking about Jews who have a right to live in their historic homeland.... shira Jun 2015 #44
Your sense of history is riddled in propaganda and has nothing to do with the fact that Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #48
Yes or No? The W.Bank must be free of Jews in order for Palestine to be viable? shira Jun 2015 #51
It is their land, who they want to live on it is their choice. The OP is written by a man Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #54
So if their choice is a Jew-Free Palestine, you will support that.... shira Jun 2015 #56
This guy here is left wing? I think you better read his history. Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #57
Yeah he is, & I asked YOU whether Palestine is viable with no Jews in it.... shira Jun 2015 #58
It is racist for the Palestinians to have a state of their own? No. Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #59
If they demand a Jew free state, then yes. You know that so why the pretense? n/t shira Jun 2015 #61
Do you ever read what you post? Astonishing that you would even suggest that the Palestinians Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #63
Well, it is racist & fascist to support & advocate for a Jew free country.... shira Jun 2015 #75
Not according to one of your pals here he isn't. Take it up with them. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #60
No, it's that everyone you disagree with is rightwing. I'll bet you can't name.... shira Jun 2015 #62
Call AIPAC for any further clarification on the US Congress. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #64
So when you vote Democratic & they oppose BDS, you're voting.... shira Jun 2015 #76
Huh? Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #78
I assume you vote Democratic. Problem for you is that Dems oppose BDS.... shira Jun 2015 #80
You don't make any sense, at all. Do you not acknowledge the existence of AIPAC? Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #82
Huh? Are you saying AIPAC controls the Congress, Senate, & POTUS? n/t shira Jun 2015 #85
No, I told you to call them and get clarification on the US Congress. Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #87
Chuck Hagel claimed the same crap & Lindsey Graham..... shira Jun 2015 #88
That doesn't answer my question, I said the following to your question: Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #89
Again, sounding a lot like Chuck Hagel's nonsense. shira Jun 2015 #91
You asked me a question regarding AIPAC and control. I said, No, call AIPAC and ask them for Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #92
Okay fine, AIPAC told me Article 22 of the Hamas charter is correct.... shira Jun 2015 #93
I honestly feel very sorry for you. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #94
Don't know why you aren't celebrating AIPAC admitting that Hamas is right.... shira Jun 2015 #95
I asked you to call them to clarify what they do and what they accomplish with the US Congress. Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #97
You're not talking about Jews first. You are talking about Israeli colonists. Illegal ones. R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2015 #96
Are there any Jewish Palestinians? oberliner Jun 2015 #98
Seemingly at this point the relevence of that query is dubious. R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2015 #105
All your answers are in the OP, for the most part. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #25
No they're not. You have no answers & neither does he. n/t shira Jun 2015 #34
Well, he is not telling you what you want to hear, true. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #39
He's not telling it period. Otherwise you'd quote him. n/t shira Jun 2015 #41
I am certain of one thing, that anyone who is familiar with your posts can figure out where Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #45
So quote him. Or fold. n/t shira Jun 2015 #47
Fold on what, that he describes people with your mindset? You are treading past the absurd Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #50
You folded. Figures. n/t shira Jun 2015 #53
I do .....nt. Israeli Jun 2015 #120
I had to read that one to see if the title actually meant what it said azurnoir Jun 2015 #2
IOW, this article is saying that Jews are the reason for antisemitism. shira Jun 2015 #4
He wrote this article for people with your mindset. I am sure he would not be surprised at your Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #5
His article is not just naive but idiotic, so I wouldn't care what he thinks.... shira Jun 2015 #9
I'm sure you don't care..no worries. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #11
Another mind reader I see , lol King_David Jun 2015 #13
When did anti-Semitism become synonymous with anti-apartheid, guillaumeb Jun 2015 #24
Accusing Israel of Apartheid is not legitimate criticism; It's defamation & slander shira Jun 2015 #28
How much Palestinian land did Lebanon steal? guillaumeb Jun 2015 #29
Irrelevant if you're truly anti-Apartheid shira Jun 2015 #32
"Irrelevant" is an interesting way to describe victims of state sponsored terrorism. guillaumeb Jun 2015 #35
Yeah, irrelevant to those claiming to be anti-Apartheid shira Jun 2015 #38
"Accusing Israel of Apartheid is not legitimate criticism; It's defamation & slander" R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2015 #100
How can someone be anti-Apartheid WRT Palestinians while condoning... shira Jun 2015 #102
Wel, shira. I don't live in pretend world where Israel can do no wrong, and seeing how this is the R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2015 #108
Why would pro-Palestinians against Apartheid ignore the real thing.... shira Jun 2015 #111
I don't ignore the real thing that Israel practices. R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2015 #112
Do you have a problem with real Apartheid in Lebanon vs. Palestinians? shira Jun 2015 #115
Many of the problems that the Palestinians now face are due to Israel and the Nakba. R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2015 #117
"Palestinian killing regime...the systematic rape of a people" oberliner Jun 2015 #103
Why would one need a mask to state the truth? R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2015 #109
No it is not unless of course you are once again substituting Jews for Israeli azurnoir Jun 2015 #30
Obama clearly believes anti-Zionists are antisemitic Jew haters shira Jun 2015 #33
Can you post that quote with a link to Jeff Goldberg interview where you claim he said that azurnoir Jun 2015 #36
Why play games with what Obama clearly meant? shira Jun 2015 #40
I'm not the one making wld eyed claims about Obama said azurnoir Jun 2015 #43
He was asked about antizionism = antisemitism & explained when that's the case. shira Jun 2015 #46
I don't have to play or make wild extrapolations either but some do :) azurnoir Jun 2015 #65
You're wasting your time, Shira leftynyc Jun 2015 #130
Recommended. I forgot to say that before responding to shira. eom guillaumeb Jun 2015 #26
Thank you for that, I appreciate your posts and to those who take the time to read Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #27
If you like this post, you should read some of his other ones (Goldberg, that is) oberliner Jun 2015 #52
When Muslims murder Palestinians oberliner Jun 2015 #49
How else to interpret this ongoing 'silence' other than that they condone.... shira Jun 2015 #55
still attempting to foist that BS about Abbas off on folks? Broke out the bold for that even azurnoir Jun 2015 #68
So you think this blogger is full of crap here? But you like his blog post in the OP? oberliner Jun 2015 #71
generally I do avoid ToI's blogs I only read the OP azurnoir Jun 2015 #99
Abbas rejected Israel facilitating the move of refugees from Syria... shira Jun 2015 #83
Abbas had no right to sign away their freedom of movement, Israel had no right to play games with azurnoir Jun 2015 #101
But he could've agreed & saved thousands. So what you're saying... shira Jun 2015 #104
you seem supportive of Israel's attempt at blackmail am I right? azurnoir Jun 2015 #106
So you really do support Abbas' decision to let them stay in Syria. shira Jun 2015 #107
dodging my question? I support them being allowed into what is their rightful country azurnoir Jun 2015 #110
Sure you do, but you believe Abbas was right to let them stay in Syria shira Jun 2015 #113
Abbas did not let them stay Israel forced them to stay, Abbas was not asked to sign away their right azurnoir Jun 2015 #114
Israel didn't force them to stay. All they had to do was sign a piece of paper.... shira Jun 2015 #116
Abbas had no means by which to stop them if they wished to sign azurnoir Jun 2015 #118
I guess it's a good thing leftynyc Jun 2015 #131
Same author getting all the effusive praise in this thread? King_David Jun 2015 #77
"This OP knows what he is talking about" oberliner Jun 2015 #84
LOL King_David Jun 2015 #90
Anytime that someone disagrees with Israels extreme right wing government 4now Jun 2015 #67
Wanting the Jewish state gone & its Jews imperiled is antisemitic. n/t shira Jun 2015 #86
I agree with the OP. Little Tich Jun 2015 #119
....and I agree with you . Israeli Jun 2015 #121
I also think that the presence of the settlements is the very foundation of the one-state solution. Little Tich Jun 2015 #123
Who do you think Marc Goldberg was .... Israeli Jun 2015 #124
The settlements, every time there is an announcement of expansion it is a reminder of Israeli Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #125
Settlements? Find one popular BDS leader who supports a Jewish Israel. shira Jun 2015 #135
What do you think is the motivation behind BDS? n/t Little Tich Jun 2015 #136
To end Israel & my proof is N. Finkelstein who is anything but a Zionist.... shira Jun 2015 #139
Great post Jefferson23..... Israeli Jun 2015 #122
"He is not Left wing BTW" oberliner Jun 2015 #126
How do you think I know oberliner ? Israeli Jun 2015 #132
I don't know oberliner Jun 2015 #133
You have oberliner..... Israeli Jun 2015 #134
Never oberliner Jun 2015 #138
I am not confusing you with another poster oberliner.... Israeli Jun 2015 #140
You are accusing me falsely of something that I have never done. oberliner Jun 2015 #141
Yea, although one person thinks he is left wing, but whatever. The fact that he is not is what Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #127
You're always welcomed here too King_David Jun 2015 #128
lol ok Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #129
How do you know he is not left wing? oberliner Jun 2015 #137
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