Israel/Palestine

shaayecanaan

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67. I think you have to choose one or the other...

Tue May 29, 2012, 06:05 AM

May 2012

obviously, Tibet, like 1940s Palestine, was never considered a sovereign state, and therefore is not considered occupied. If you consider Tibet to be occupied, you would probably have to extend that same logic to the whole of Israel.

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No, criticism of Israel is not anti-Semitism [View all] azurnoir May 2012 OP

Meanwhile 50 miles away thousands are dying in Syria. Swede May 2012 #1

not posting about Syria is antisemitic? do tell azurnoir May 2012 #2

No,obsessing over Israel is antisemtic. Swede May 2012 #3

so Noam Sheizaf "obsessing" over his own country is antisemtic? n/t azurnoir May 2012 #4

This message from the link sums it up nicely Swede May 2012 #5

so your citing an exchange between talkbackers ? define being against the existance of Israel azurnoir May 2012 #6

It speaks for itself. Swede May 2012 #7

so you believe that Richard Silverstein, Phil Weiss and Max Blumental are antisemites? azurnoir May 2012 #9

I agree with the quote,I left out those names,I don't know who they are. Swede May 2012 #15

ah so that's why, albeit perhaps you need to read more threads in this group azurnoir May 2012 #26

I know who they are... Shaktimaan Jun 2012 #139

Do you believe it's antisemitic when they make Israel/Nazi comparisons? n/t shira May 2012 #34

I could better answer that had I ever read any such comparisons azurnoir May 2012 #48

Here are some links shira May 2012 #73

In the cases you provided it was borderline is that why you only provided links no excepts? azurnoir May 2012 #77

I do. Do you believe it's EQUALLY offensive and unacceptable to make Palestinian/Nazi comparisons? Ken Burch May 2012 #60

The nazi analogy being unacceptable vs. bigoted are 2 different things shira May 2012 #74

Not directly...although it did get close... Ken Burch May 2012 #80

Do you acknowledge the genocidal incitement of Hamas and the PLO... shira May 2012 #81

Even if we assume those videos say what you say Ken Burch May 2012 #88

So you're in denial and don't believe Hamas really advocates genocidal incitement vs. Jews. shira May 2012 #103

Why are you so obsessed about those videos? Ken Burch May 2012 #89

Because those videos are important context to the Arab/Israel conflict... shira May 2012 #104

Do you believe it's anti-semitic when settlers compare the IDF to the Nazis? Crunchy Frog Jun 2012 #117

Depends. When they use that analogy, it's probably more idiotic than hateful. shira Jun 2012 #119

In that case they're drawing a hateful parallel to advance their own interests. Shaktimaan Jun 2012 #140

Actually, that post proves nothing Ken Burch May 2012 #58

A piece of advice... holdencaufield May 2012 #105

Well, in Sheizaf's case he presumably obsesses more over Israel because it's his own country LeftishBrit May 2012 #12

Sheizaf is just another anti-Israel activist shira May 2012 #17

I think you label so many people as 'anti-Israel activists'... LeftishBrit May 2012 #18

Anti-zionists or post-zionists (whatever they call themselves) are by definition... shira May 2012 #19

I suppose your right Ray Hanania would quickly make peace as Ray Hanania lives in Chicago azurnoir May 2012 #46

Not necessarily Ken Burch May 2012 #59

NO Palestinians are being murdered? Ken Burch May 2012 #57

Posting absolutly anything that is critical, questioning or shines negative light on Dick Dastardly May 2012 #92

Now you have piqued my curiosity, I am starting to understand a little better. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #125

well I see you unfamilar with these parts so let me explain azurnoir Jun 2012 #126

The Irony of Language holdencaufield Jun 2012 #141

There are plenty of posts in DU about what's happening in Syria Ken Burch May 2012 #56

Perhaps the creation of a Syria forum would be in order. Crunchy Frog Jun 2012 #116

An overstatement in response to an overstatement. aranthus May 2012 #8

please explain what is BS about the last paragraph which is cited here n/t azurnoir May 2012 #10

Do you believe Israel's occupation is a racist, colonial project? n/t shira May 2012 #11

See Shira's post 11. n/t aranthus May 2012 #16

one of the terms is IMO quite applicable the other is not azurnoir May 2012 #25

Neither is applicable. aranthus May 2012 #27

prior legitimite claim? are you sure you wish to go there? your using the bible to claim legitimacy azurnoir May 2012 #28

Where do you get the idea that I'm using the Bible? aranthus May 2012 #31

The West Bank is NOT within the Green Line Ken Burch May 2012 #62

Yes. That's why it's disputed territory. aranthus May 2012 #82

Occupied, not disputed. Ken Burch May 2012 #86

and the Palestinians also are guilty of the Holocaust too? azurnoir May 2012 #93

You keep making things up. aranthus May 2012 #94

The Israeli government CONSTANTLY invokes the Holocaust Ken Burch May 2012 #97

your quote azurnoir May 2012 #107

You think that because the Palestinians followed the Mufti that implies aranthus May 2012 #112

Oh its quite clear you seem to advicate for the Palestinians mostly innocent civilians to be forever azurnoir Jun 2012 #124

That's like saying "mostly innocent" Japanese or inncent Germans. aranthus Jun 2012 #127

aha it is not changing the rules it is however pointing out fact azurnoir Jun 2012 #128

Neither statlessness nor population transfer is relevant to whether the Palestinians are refugees aranthus Jun 2012 #130

in the case of Israel and its Occupied territories the transfer of civilian population azurnoir Jun 2012 #131

They were NOT left stateless, it is true. Shaktimaan Jun 2012 #142

so Palestiunians get and deserve nothing and Israeli (Jews) have prior claim to everything azurnoir May 2012 #47

You just made that up. I never said or implied any such thing. aranthus May 2012 #85

Why couldn't Israel just say Ken Burch May 2012 #90

Well that's where Israel and I part company aranthus May 2012 #95

I'm glad to hear that. Ken Burch May 2012 #96

If this is the first time that you've read this from me, aranthus May 2012 #106

No I simply read what you wrote azurnoir May 2012 #108

You are misreading what I wrote. aranthus May 2012 #113

The problem is(and I say this as a person who wants Israel to survive) Ken Burch May 2012 #61

Indeed it isn't LeftishBrit May 2012 #13

Those on the left and right who deny, dismiss, ignore explain away, or excuse shira May 2012 #14

You could compare the situation with South Africa in 1994 shaayecanaan May 2012 #20

Are Palestinian refugees suffering under apartheid in Lebanon? n/t shira May 2012 #21

You can't demand that people criticize every other country BEFORE they can comment Ken Burch May 2012 #63

If the anti-Israel contingent is going to bring up the false apartheid analogy WRT Israel.... shira May 2012 #75

Are undocumented Mexican migrants suffering under apartheid in the United States? shaayecanaan May 2012 #22

You say some amazing things. BudT May 2012 #23

Interesting... shaayecanaan May 2012 #29

The word has been abused enough . . . BudT May 2012 #32

Do you think that the Israelis treat the Palestinians like crap for cynical reasons? shaayecanaan May 2012 #33

Regarding that Dayan quote eyl May 2012 #35

The quote is discussed here:- shaayecanaan May 2012 #38

No it isn't oberliner May 2012 #39

Yes it does... shaayecanaan May 2012 #40

No it doesn't oberliner May 2012 #42

Yes it does shaayecanaan May 2012 #43

No it doesn't oberliner May 2012 #44

Yes it does... shaayecanaan May 2012 #49

No it doesn't oberliner May 2012 #51

Yes it does shaayecanaan May 2012 #52

I don't have access to the copy in question anymore eyl Jun 2012 #118

Interesting slice and dice with that Dayan quote oberliner May 2012 #36

I think from re-reading . . BudT May 2012 #45

I think our discussion was originally about South Africa... shaayecanaan May 2012 #54

So that's a "no", correct? Refugees in Lebanon are not suffering under.... shira May 2012 #24

The Palestinian refugees in Lebanon are suffering, but it's irrelevant to the I/P situation Ken Burch May 2012 #64

No Ken, Palestinians are suffering under apartheid conditions in Lebanon shira May 2012 #76

No it doesn't. Ken Burch May 2012 #78

Yes it does... shira May 2012 #114

Most of the time it's not, sometimes it is. cali May 2012 #30

How can you tell which is which? oberliner May 2012 #37

As far as I am concerned, the two biggest tell-tale signs... LeftishBrit May 2012 #41

Yes, those are valid signs Ken Burch May 2012 #79

"Israel is currently engaged in the longest-lasting military occupation on earth" EX500rider May 2012 #50

The Israeli occupation is the longest-standing current occupation... shaayecanaan May 2012 #53

Occupation of Tibet... holdencaufield May 2012 #66

I think you have to choose one or the other... shaayecanaan May 2012 #67

You just argued... holdencaufield May 2012 #68

The West Bank was annexed by Jordan at the time... shaayecanaan May 2012 #83

You mean OCCUPIED by Jordan... holdencaufield May 2012 #91

If it was occupied by Jordan, then it was subsequently occupied by Israel... shaayecanaan May 2012 #99

I don't deny occupation currently exists in the West Bank holdencaufield May 2012 #101

If it's an occupation, that denies any Israeli claim to the land. n/t shira Jun 2012 #135

Semantics holdencaufield Jun 2012 #137

untrue. Shaktimaan Jun 2012 #132

That is patently bollocks... shaayecanaan Jun 2012 #134

Then you choose. Apply the same standard to Israel as you do Tibet... shira Jun 2012 #136

Not anymore. Shaktimaan Jun 2012 #138

The PA merely administers the territory at the pleasure of the occupying power... shaayecanaan Jun 2012 #143

Russian occupation of the Southern Kuril Islands dates back to 1945...n/t EX500rider May 2012 #69

If that amounts to an occupation, then France is occupying Alsace Lorraine shaayecanaan May 2012 #84

Is Germany still trying to get back Alsace Lorraine? EX500rider May 2012 #109

Does anybody even live on the Kurils? Ken Burch May 2012 #98

Current population around 19,000 EX500rider May 2012 #110

Thank you for the information Ken Burch May 2012 #111

When will see see 30,000 posts holdencaufield Jun 2012 #129

The West Bank occupation started in 1967 - isn't that 49 years? nt hack89 May 2012 #70

The Israeli occupation of the West Bank is not 60 years old oberliner May 2012 #71

Some facts you left out of your comparison BudT May 2012 #72

That is categorically false... shaayecanaan May 2012 #87

If this is actually important . . BudT May 2012 #100

Its the way we roll... shaayecanaan May 2012 #102

Well stated. BudT May 2012 #115

Yes... holdencaufield May 2012 #65

Antisemitism is a real issue, and is far from extinct Ken Burch May 2012 #55

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Purity in Politics William deB. Mills Jun 2012 #133

Here's why criticism from rabid anti-Israel groups like the PSC is considered antisemitic.... shira Jun 2012 #144

so it could be taken in this round of guilt by association azurnoir Jun 2012 #145

Do you really wish to defend the PSC? They're infested with rabid Jew hating anti-Semites... shira Jun 2012 #146

I asked you about Miles of Smiles which allowed the group to enter Gaza with it azurnoir Jun 2012 #147

I expect an answer to my question as well. No evasion or misdirection this time, okay? shira Jun 2012 #148

quote "Miles of Smiles is actually worse than the PSC and that's saying a lot..." azurnoir Jun 2012 #149

Yeah, they are. As those articles showed. Here's another damning article, many links... shira Jun 2012 #150

serious question is there any charitable organization that has aided Palestinians azurnoir Jun 2012 #151

U.S. Designates Five Charities Funding Hamas and Six Senior Hamas Leaders as Terrorist Entities shira Jun 2012 #152

Your list is nearly a decade old do you have a current one? Interpal is not on the current list azurnoir Jun 2012 #153

Interpal is still banned in the USA. From June 2009... shira Jun 2012 #155

whats up next your lnk -Charity Interpal Cleared in UK, Banned in US azurnoir Jun 2012 #156

Even Turkey is now investigating IHH links to al-Qaeda. I mean FFS, what are you supporting? shira Jul 2012 #158

defend? nope just quoted your link azurnoir Jul 2012 #159

I removed the extension from your link and tried this http://www.ots.treas.gov azurnoir Jun 2012 #154

Its war advocation Individualism Jun 2012 #157