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pbmus

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67. "and now you will cause oversalinization."

Sun Apr 5, 2015, 11:48 PM

Apr 2015

do you mean salinization ... I think that refers to soil and irrigation issues .

I believe the other issues you mention are related to greed and fossil fuel use .

Sorry, just trying to clarify

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DU: Beware the Water Desalination Movement and it's Lies. [View all] NYC_SKP Apr 2015 OP

There's a big push for that in California, while our good, clean water is sucked up by Nestle arcane1 Apr 2015 #1

Precisely. Some bottled water comes directly from municiple sources; tap water. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #3

Lets take California as a start. there are 38.4 million residents who live there. CentralMass Apr 2015 #2

The era of free ground water is over, I say OVER ... MindMover Apr 2015 #5

And companies like Nestle (not to mention agriculture) use the majority of it. arcane1 Apr 2015 #7

The LA Times article was very misleading, scientifically inaccurate. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #8

You know I do think that's what he is suggesting. I missed it until you pointed it out. nm rhett o rick Apr 2015 #38

WATER is not next, it is now ... MindMover Apr 2015 #4

Desal is a scheme to preserve our wasteful way of life. New tech or not, it's a loser. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #10

"Nature gave us a predictable amount of water to use" MindMover Apr 2015 #22

"Loading Order" in electric utilities would be instructive here. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #25

Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #27

I'm not sure what your issue is with me and my statements. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #35

Freshwater and water are two different substances to you? pbmus Apr 2015 #73

They technically, environmentally, and regulatorily are different substances, yes. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #75

I have read thru all of mindmovers posts and he/she never ever used pbmus Apr 2015 #77

. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #79

Metaphorically speaking the question was pbmus Apr 2015 #85

NYC_SKP is absolutely correct. bananas Apr 2015 #46

"and now you will cause oversalinization." pbmus Apr 2015 #67

It just means too much salt. bananas Apr 2015 #86

"if you put hundreds or thousands of them along the coast, you will disrupt the entire coast ecolog" pbmus Apr 2015 #88

"or" not "of" bananas Apr 2015 #89

"Building desalination plants is the Right Wing Corporatist approach to solving the problem." Ghost in the Machine Apr 2015 #43

You do know that desalination won't put a dent in sea levels, right? NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #47

Thank you for your clarification, my friend.... Ghost in the Machine Apr 2015 #54

So I went to do the math again. Humans consume +/- 3,000 km^3 per year worldwide... NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #57

SORRY. There are no "new technologies that are coming online" that will provide more water. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #42

I believe I have heard this argument used with oil and how pbmus Apr 2015 #68

That line of thinking brought us horizontal drilling, fracking, and oil shale and tar sands... NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #69

So you do agree that your arguments are the same . pbmus Apr 2015 #72

I liken "advancements" in water exploitation to those used in fossil fuel extraction, yes I do. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #76

If you are likening water resources to other commodities pbmus Apr 2015 #80

We (humans) have been using or as you say screwing the planet pbmus Apr 2015 #74

Yeah, we might have another 2.8 million years to go without changing our ways. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #78

So your entire point is that we must change. pbmus Apr 2015 #83

Is there any beneficial use for the salts that are removed during the desalination process? tularetom Apr 2015 #6

They dump it back into the ocean at higher concentrations. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #9

That's really dumb when they could bag it, dry it Warpy Apr 2015 #26

Thank you God for Wiki pbmus Apr 2015 #71

Couldnt they sell the salt Travis_0004 Apr 2015 #12

Desalenizaton uses three liters of salt water to make one liter of freshwater. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2015 #18

California has been WET! ... 4139 Apr 2015 #11

Ahistorically wet; long dry periods are "normal", some of them lasting centuries. Spider Jerusalem Apr 2015 #23

but maybe you can answer me this- mopinko Apr 2015 #13

Filling a salt wate lake would kill local vegatation nad indigenous animals that need the fresh Agnosticsherbet Apr 2015 #15

i meant aquifers. mopinko Apr 2015 #33

The salt would remain with the water. There are, in fact, Agnosticsherbet Apr 2015 #50

Under the right circumstances, this might yield some water, not sure if it's economical. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #16

want. mopinko Apr 2015 #17

What about creating large reservoir beds closer to the ocean Chemisse Apr 2015 #29

I think solar distillation would be more cost effective and less impactive. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #32

I love this idea!! Chemisse Apr 2015 #45

The reservoirs contain fresh water Warpy Apr 2015 #30

i meant to say aquifers. mopinko Apr 2015 #31

No, it doesn't work that way, either Warpy Apr 2015 #36

It might work in the short term but eventually all that salt that was filtered out would tularetom Apr 2015 #70

California is not getting enough water from rain or snow. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2015 #14

We simply use too much. No need for desal plants, better to invest in greywater systems. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #19

No, we are not getting enough water. This is a symptom of climate change. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2015 #21

I don't understand the concept of areas of the country that get too much water. rhett o rick Apr 2015 #39

We've had flooding back east. What I suggest is we set up a naton wide system Agnosticsherbet Apr 2015 #49

My initial impression is that you are suggesting that some areas steal water from other areas. rhett o rick Apr 2015 #52

That seems to be the suggestion being made. It was a failure then and would be again. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #61

Yes I do agree, "we use too much stuff". rhett o rick Apr 2015 #66

We are using too much, too fast, and simply need to use less. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #41

Agriculture uses too much, that's the biggest issue Spider Jerusalem Apr 2015 #24

Alternatively: water demand is too high, the amount of water is the natural amount. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #20

The amount of watner needed is based on the states populaton. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2015 #51

The residential water needed is actually state population X gallons/person/day. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #55

So we should cease farming and put several million people out of work, Agnosticsherbet Apr 2015 #59

Allow me to continue to educate you, my good friend: NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #60

Due go long term changes in weather patterns (climate change) Agnosticsherbet Apr 2015 #62

Please look into the energy demand and environmental impacts of desalination. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #63

hugelkultur mopinko Apr 2015 #64

Inertia. Systems at rest tend to remain at rest (agribusiness) NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #65

tell me about it. mopinko Apr 2015 #81

Yeah, right? You're under a freakin' microscope there! NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #82

hey, beating city hall was on my bucket list. mopinko Apr 2015 #87

I wonder if you could make floating passive solar evaporators. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #28

Black bottoms, clear tops maybe, like giant "Water Cones": NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #34

Sorta what I was thinking, but simply open at the top Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #37

Better if it's closed at the top, need to maintain high temp, humidity , closed system. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #44

What if the black layer was permeable, in a loose weave? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #48

This could be a great improvement, provided the high temps can be reached and maintained. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #53

Do some mirroring, not just transparency, so it functions a bit more like a solar oven? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #56

I'd keep it closed, mirrors might work well, and flotatation would be build in. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #58

Important subject. Thanks for posting. nm rhett o rick Apr 2015 #40

Thanks for the thread. roody Apr 2015 #84