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Response to NNadir (Reply #16)

Mon Dec 9, 2013, 01:57 PM

18. "Germany has the second highest electricity prices in Europe, after Denmark"

It isn't whether that factoid is true that is at issue. The issue is whether or not that factoid is placed in a proper context of other facts or whether one or a few "facts" are extracted from their actual context and rewoven into a false narrative.

As I've done to your claims hundreds of times before I could spend a lot of time creating a boring point by point rebuttal to demonstrate how you are twisting those few 'facts' into something bearing absolutely no resemblance to the larger reality, or I can demonstrate quickly and efficiently that your message is coming from a group of ideologues that use such a strategy as a matter of routine.

I've done both. Your message has far more in common with those populating the pages of the CFP than it does with the message of Hansen.

And I'll close by pointing out the logical fallacy of accepting Hansen as an expert on energy systems and using him as an appeal to authority. UK's top climate scientist is on the record stating that carbon capture and sequestration for coal is the only possible answer to eliminating carbon. Is he correct also because he is a top climate scientist?

That's a rhetorical question. Neither of them are correct. CCS is unworkable in the time frame and scale needed, and nuclear presents the problems of high cost, safety, waste and nuclear proliferation. If there were no alternative it might make sense to pursue both options, but we DO have the alternative of renewable energy.

The renewable course is recognized by energy systems experts around the world as the hands-down best solution to put our efforts behind in the fight against carbon; which of course, is why you spend your time trashing them. You are engaged in "trashing the competition" using the same methods as those at CFP. You may be motivated by concern over climate to use these disreputable tactics and you might be seriously deluded enough to, like CFPers, actually believe the false narrative you are promoting. Or, more likely given the traditional base of support for nuclear power, you are here acting on dark motives that need to be obscured by the sneering and spitting that is your hallmark.

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