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GliderGuider

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16. I guess I agree, but I don't see the conclusion that might follow
Sat Jan 12, 2013, 01:16 PM
Jan 2013

Last edited Sat Jan 12, 2013, 01:51 PM - Edit history (1)

If we are on the rising part of that curve before power is maximized, then increasing our efficiency is moving us up the curve and enabling more power to be dissipated in doing "useful" work. My concern is that increasing the amount of human-useful work we can do with each unit of energy simply increases the rate at which we degrade the rest of the world.

My mother had a firm belief that what the world needed was less efficiency. From her social-justice point of view the value of inefficiency was that it put more jobs in the hands of the local working class. But at lower efficiency levels we also do less overall damage to the planet because we harness less power.

More discussion of the MPP in and Jevons GliderGuider Jan 2013 #1
Some say we're hardwired for reproduction too wtmusic Jan 2013 #2
Things are not as complex as "some" make them out to be either. GliderGuider Jan 2013 #3
I've just pointed out that they're not nearly as simplistic as you portray them. wtmusic Jan 2013 #4
There are simple laws underlying the universe. GliderGuider Jan 2013 #5
Except that it's wrong. TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #6
Got support for that? GliderGuider Jan 2013 #8
This particular theory is about self-organizing systems. LARED Jan 2013 #10
Conscious systems evolve to be artistic, because life imitates art. nt bananas Jan 2013 #19
A better analogy might be impedence matching. nt bananas Jan 2013 #7
After reading the piece below on efficiency and power I'm inclined to agree. GliderGuider Jan 2013 #9
Cars have 3 gears because sometimes you want power, sometimes efficiency. bananas Jan 2013 #18
For me, I would question the last paragraph of the OP, ... CRH Jan 2013 #11
You are right. Nature seeks to "use up" energy. Efficiency is not a consideration. immoderate Jan 2013 #12
OOH, I like that, ... CRH Jan 2013 #14
MPP and efficiency GliderGuider Jan 2013 #13
Hi GG, it is not the theory I contend, CRH Jan 2013 #15
I guess I agree, but I don't see the conclusion that might follow GliderGuider Jan 2013 #16
My mother used to say the same thing. bananas Jan 2013 #17
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