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GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
14. There are seven billion different ways of finding value in existence.
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 08:02 AM
Dec 2012

Yes, I think there are going to be some people around for a long time. And I think there will be many, many fewer than there are today.

You ask, "What can we do now to prolong that date, even by a few decades?" I think the pertinent question is what are we prolonging by our actions? It's not our own personal lives, and not the end-point of our species. To my mind we are prolonging one thing only: the physical and psychological comfort of whoever is around just before the slide begins

But what is the cost of their prolonged comfort? Is it the deeper immiseration of those who come after, as we have used up more of the resources we might have left behind for them? Is it a few hundred other species that might not have gone extinct due to our continued activity? If so, I think that is too high a price to pay for a few more decades of automobiles, subdivisions, central heating and industrial food.

I find the ideas of permaculture, faster computers and wisdom development attractive because they are activities that add value to human lives without diminishing the opportunities of other species. You see, I am actually hopeful about things like that. I'm just not hopeful about stopping the slide or returning the atmosphere to some safe, comfortable level of CO2. I'm not hopeful about convincing 7 billion other people to stop burning carbon to make themselves feel better. But I am deeply hopeful about the power of the human spirit, and its ability to do the right thing - once it has tried everything else.

LFTR,read up on it and watch the videos. jonthebru Dec 2012 #1
Its biggest problem is the uranium mining industry wtmusic Dec 2012 #2
Me, too. And I am famously anti-nuke (the dangerous waste-generating kind). kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #3
Not me. I'm now anti-nuke all the way. GliderGuider Dec 2012 #4
That's where a carbon tax comes in wtmusic Dec 2012 #5
How do you make every country on the planet go along with it? GliderGuider Dec 2012 #6
Either you believe a solution is possible, or you don't. wtmusic Dec 2012 #7
Do you think a solution is possible? GliderGuider Dec 2012 #9
I don't understand the purpose of deeper thought if it's merely an expression of hopelessness. wtmusic Dec 2012 #12
There are seven billion different ways of finding value in existence. GliderGuider Dec 2012 #14
Oh, I'm all about LFTR, but we have to be honest about it. joshcryer Dec 2012 #8
But the top story is about a current project. Not some future pipe dream. jonthebru Dec 2012 #10
U233 not required. wtmusic Dec 2012 #13
Right, the "round about way." joshcryer Dec 2012 #15
No wtmusic Dec 2012 #17
Since it takes about a decade to build a reactor after permission is granted. joshcryer Dec 2012 #21
Your assumptions are based on no historical precedent wtmusic Dec 2012 #22
WEll, do you got a timeline when you think it will be built? joshcryer Dec 2012 #23
It could be built in 5 years. wtmusic Dec 2012 #25
Flibe Energy exists, though. joshcryer Dec 2012 #26
Again, you don't understand. PamW Dec 2012 #19
Then why does the thorium community want U233? joshcryer Dec 2012 #20
Having a hard time understanding? PamW Dec 2012 #27
God, you didn't even read my original fucking post here. joshcryer Dec 2012 #31
Evidently you don't understand how it works... PamW Dec 2012 #18
I was not aware that the thorium community wanted to start it with U235. joshcryer Dec 2012 #24
What U-233? PamW Dec 2012 #28
We have roughly 450 kg of U233 from the nuclear program. joshcryer Dec 2012 #32
Order of magnitude shy... PamW Dec 2012 #34
They want to start with a small reactor. joshcryer Dec 2012 #37
Where does it say that? PamW Dec 2012 #46
"So a LFTR, started on U-233..." Read the article? joshcryer Dec 2012 #47
Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #52
Politics played the biggest role, I admit. joshcryer Dec 2012 #53
For a guy who doesn't approve of energy, you certainly spend a lot of time on the internet. NNadir Dec 2012 #29
Why not? Arguing on the internet is a great way to pass the time till dinner. GliderGuider Dec 2012 #30
I'm just noting that many of the advocates of killing off humanity in an orgy of primitivism... NNadir Dec 2012 #57
Fishing again? nt GliderGuider Dec 2012 #58
There's a difference between advocacy and observation. joshcryer Dec 2012 #59
It's passive poverty. wtmusic Dec 2012 #33
Your lame attempt at moral bullying is duly noted. GliderGuider Dec 2012 #35
That's very profound, but in truth wtmusic Dec 2012 #36
What aspects of my expressed positions do you feel are hypocritical? GliderGuider Dec 2012 #38
This is ground that we've already covered but it's best phrased as a question wtmusic Dec 2012 #39
I don't approve or recommend dieoff. GliderGuider Dec 2012 #40
Inaction is approving dieoff. wtmusic Dec 2012 #41
Die off certainly isn't recommended. joshcryer Dec 2012 #44
Why do you give geoengineering a 50/50 shot? NoOneMan Dec 2012 #49
Sulphate aerosols are known to work (volcanos prove it). joshcryer Dec 2012 #50
Of course they "work" NoOneMan Dec 2012 #51
The results would be devestating either way. joshcryer Dec 2012 #54
Time will tell NoOneMan Dec 2012 #55
Necessity mainly. joshcryer Dec 2012 #56
Only if one feels that action will prevent it. GliderGuider Dec 2012 #45
Bad action is hastening dieoff NoOneMan Dec 2012 #48
BALONEY!!!! PamW Dec 2012 #16
The name "Thor Energy" XemaSab Dec 2012 #11
I noticed that, too! Odin2005 Dec 2012 #42
Yay for my fellow Norskies! Odin2005 Dec 2012 #43
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