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joshcryer

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13. They need to make it clear, abundantly clear, that they don't know.

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:10 AM

Nov 2012

That is the hallmark of science.

They need to stress, absolutely stress, that the interpretations have to this point been wrong, and that the effects have been higher than their interpretations have been. That is a fact, a scientific fact, so they will not be "hurting" by pointing that out.

This is not to say that they should simply magically pick the higher end projections.

Merely make it clear that the interpretations to this point (likely because the scientists were afraid to tell the truth) have been on the low end and inaccurate.

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Former UN official says next IPCC report will scare the wits out of everyone [View all] GliderGuider Nov 2012 OP

Not if it means some rich people might lose money. They'd rather be drowned, be swallowed by valerief Nov 2012 #1

Naw.....Inhoffe and his friends will say it isn't true and shove their heads back into the sand.... Swede Atlanta Nov 2012 #2

For all my bone-deep cynicism, GliderGuider Nov 2012 #3

heh RobertEarl Nov 2012 #24

I don't do teh nucular any more... GliderGuider Nov 2012 #25

Ignore it and it will go away? RobertEarl Nov 2012 #28

I pay attention to it GliderGuider Nov 2012 #36

42% of Americans believe in anthropogenic climate change OKIsItJustMe Nov 2012 #29

How many Americans believe in +6 degrees Celcius? GliderGuider Nov 2012 #39

There's the old cynicism! OKIsItJustMe Nov 2012 #40

Frightened into action may not produce the correct action NoOneMan Nov 2012 #31

True, it may not. But staying asleep is producing no action at all. GliderGuider Nov 2012 #38

Nah, it'll be BAU + geoengineering. joshcryer Nov 2012 #46

Well, all I can say is, let's just hope they don't fuck this one up.....in either direction. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #4

Nah, let's fuck it up in BOTH directions. Systematic Chaos Nov 2012 #5

"In this lecture I present a model that is extremely optimistic in its prediction... GliderGuider Nov 2012 #6

The fucking 1981 model was accurate, it's the damn scientists downplaying shit. joshcryer Nov 2012 #9

I don't disagree with that, at least. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #11

They need to make it clear, abundantly clear, that they don't know. joshcryer Nov 2012 #13

That at least, does make perfect sense. n/t AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #14

That's science. joshcryer Nov 2012 #16

And I bet it *still* won't take into consideration the state of the art. joshcryer Nov 2012 #7

I think you're right. GliderGuider Nov 2012 #8

A lot. joshcryer Nov 2012 #10

I'm not so sure they will, they've been doing a lot of less of that over the past few years...... AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #12

The problem is the deadline period. Plus, AR5 isn't due until 2014. joshcryer Nov 2012 #15

$50 they say arctic sea ice melts by 2035. joshcryer Nov 2012 #17

For politicans, hyperbole is their stock in trade. Speck Tater Nov 2012 #18

It's not a sure thing. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #20

No, we face an uphill battle because of teh stupid. GliderGuider Nov 2012 #23

"we face an uphill battle because of teh stupid."..I don't doubt that either. But........ AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #26

I don't see it making any difference GliderGuider Nov 2012 #27

I wish that was so, but I've seen this happening. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #34

That's what I've found so fascinating about this election cycle hatrack Nov 2012 #22

Maybe, maybe not. Nihil Nov 2012 #19

I wouldn't say that Sandy had 'little' impact. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #21

They're not fearmongers if they're right cprise Nov 2012 #30

I seriously doubt that. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #33

That's just opinion and name-calling. cprise Nov 2012 #37

I hope you're planning on telling Dr. Jeffrey Kiehl of NCAR to fuck off too. GliderGuider Nov 2012 #41

Okay, then. And? AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #43

Add Joe Romm to your list as well. GliderGuider Nov 2012 #44

Even if Romm may be correct about the Eocene temp rise, it doesn't vindicate McPherson by any means. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #47

If I google "AverageJoe90 McPherson": NoOneMan Nov 2012 #32

I haven't even made that many posts total in here these past 3 months. Odd. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #35

I agree about the motives and actions of the plutocrats, but GliderGuider Nov 2012 #45

That much is true, at least. n/t AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #48

Strangely enough, I think you are being optimistic! Nihil Nov 2012 #49

If only it were true wtmusic Nov 2012 #42